Pick your field, pitch your tent, brave the loos.

0:00Rob Hi and welcome to GlastoCast, the unofficial Glastonbury podcast. I'm here with Jessi.

0:13Jessi Hi guys.

0:14Rob And I'm here with Miguel.

0:15Miguel Hey everyone.

0:16Rob And you know what, guys? It's really good to be back.

0:18Jessi Yay, we're really glad to have you back. Thank you very much.

0:21Rob We're 3 again. Yeah, it felt like a long time since we've seen you.

0:23Miguel I feel like we're gonna— we work— we did a good job last episode, Jessi, but I think we work better as a trio.

0:27Rob Absolutely. Yeah, so fantastic.

0:29Miguel Great to see you guys.

0:38Rob Okay, so in this episode we're going to move on from the last episode where we talked about arriving at Glastonbury, and we're going to talk about camping tips. Camping is obviously a big part of Glastonbury, so we want to talk about making it nice and comfortable for you, making sure you've got everything you need. Then we're going to move on and talk about where to camp. Glastonbury is a massive site. Between us, we've camped in a number of different places, so we're going to talk about that.

0:59Miguel That's a big question.

1:00Jessi There are many options.

1:01Rob Absolutely. Oh, probably too many to talk about, but we'll certainly do our best. And then finally, we're gonna, you know, touch on the dreaded subject of toilets. Yeah, it's one of those things where we kind of have to talk about it. No one really likes it, but, you know, there are ways around it, and I think that we can certainly make it as, you know, nice an experience as we can.

1:20Jessi We want to just make you feel a bit— there's lots of always rumors saying, oh, they're really horrendous, and it's a thing that people talk about.

1:27Rob It is, isn't it?

1:28Jessi I was gonna say, it's really not that bad.

1:30Miguel Well, it certainly used to be very horrendous.

1:32Jessi Yeah, yeah, there's been a lot of improvements, and that's something we're gonna discuss.

1:36Rob Okay, so point number 1, we talked about camping tips. I think this carries on really nicely from the last episode of arriving, because now what we're gonna do is we're gonna start setting up our tent. We've already talked about the equipment, we've talked about everything that we're gonna be needing, so we're all set, we're all good. But there are other things that you can do, certainly on the way, and people will notice that when once you do get there, there are lots of people who instantly want to help you. They want to help you get to where you want to go. Uh, and, and so one of the first things I remember is, uh, getting through, someone— although I don't think they hand out bags anymore, they used to hand out those little tote bags, didn't they?

2:15Jessi Oh, the tote bags? Yeah, yeah, true.

2:17Rob They were quite nice.

2:17Jessi I don't think they had those in 2017. They were selling them, weren't they?

2:20Rob Oh, right.

2:21Okay.

2:21Rob I did get home and think, oh, I haven't actually got one.

2:24Jessi Do you know why?

2:24Miguel It's not the one from The Guardian, or no, something else?

2:27Jessi No, no, no, different one. The little yellow bags you get when you go in. It's because Because Yeo Valley used to do them and they're not a sponsor anymore.

2:33Rob Oh, right. Okay.

2:34Jessi That was why. But yeah.

2:36Rob Okay, perfect. So other yoghurt products are available. So we will say that. But yeah, so yeah, moving off of that, the other thing I remember is the big map, which is my first kind of, wow, okay, I'm here. That's a big place I'm going to be exploring. But one of the things that they're handing out is both bin bags and recycling bags. And I just think this is a great opportunity to just Take some. You're going to— I think people are going to probably use more bin bags than they quite realise throughout their stay. So just getting a couple, especially making sure if people have got one each.

3:06Jessi I always take a couple because there's always going to be someone in my group that doesn't know what's going on and they've forgotten one. Plus, spare bin bag, if it's a wet year, it's really good to help you keep your clothes dry if you've brought your own.

3:17Rob So really good idea. Sitting on it.

3:19Jessi Sitting on it.

3:19Rob Obviously that's not what they're meant for, but you know, Emergencies, needs must. But one of the things I do when we set up our tent, I'm one of the people that takes a flagpole.

3:28Miguel Okay.

3:28Rob I never used to, and I always used to, when I'd set my tent up, I'd always, right, look round and see which was the nearest flag that I could remember. So now I actually take my own flag. That was a fair strategy. Yeah, so I actually take my own flag now, and I always tie a recycling bag and a bin bag to it.

3:44Okay, interesting.

3:45Rob That's the first thing I do. That way, once you're setting your camping up and what have you, if there's any rubbish, straight in. Having my first beer or cider or whatever, can straight in. And also, when people are walking past, if they see it, I think it might encourage them to just drop one in there rather than chuck it. Oh, that's excellent.

4:02Miguel I mean, this together with your toilet roll in the Ziploc bag— Oh yeah, you're kind of the MacGyver of Glastonbury.

4:08Rob Next thing I'll just need a utility belt or something, won't I?

4:13Jessi Well, that's the thing, I think it's— I, I hate walking through, uh, the tents and seeing people who have just almost like made a pile of rubbish in the middle of their tents. I think that's awful. Grab a couple of bin bags. All it takes is— I mean, I always tie mine, you tie yours to a flagpole, Rob. I tie mine just to the inside of my tent in the tent poles. And then when I'm in there, again, if I'm, you know, doing my makeup in the morning or whatever, throwing these away, baby wipes, et cetera, I can just chuck them straight in there. And then yes, we also have some set up outside as well. So we tie some up so that the group can use them.

4:45Rob Yeah. I suppose another thing about having it on the outside, if it does rain, it gets a bit wet and soggy. And so maybe it is nice to have that one inside the tent for the things that aren't going to smell.

4:57Miguel Yeah.

4:57Rob Um, just chuck them straight in, like you say, your toiletries or whatever, crisp packet wrappers, chocolate bar wrappers, just get them straight in. Anything to just make sure that that rubbish is going to be contained somewhere because—

5:07Jessi It makes Monday a lot easier.

5:08Rob It certainly does.

5:09Jessi Obviously we very much, um, subscribe to the Leave No Trace. That is very much a part of what we're doing here and what everybody should do when they go to Glastonbury. But on the Monday, I mean, there's been a couple of years where my friends have been a bit lax with collecting, uh, sorting the rubbish as they go, and it means on Monday when you're packing up your tent, you're really tired, you don't want to have to be going picking up rubbish. If you've already got most things in bags already, easy peasy.

5:32Rob It makes it so much easier.

5:33Miguel I mean, even during the festival, it's worth saying that every campsite, there's the points where you can take the full rubbish bags off the site.

5:37Rob Yeah, they do. There's the rubbish collection points. And also, I don't know if you guys have ever, or know anybody that signed up to be a Worthy Warrior.

5:44Jessi Oh yeah, that was a thing in 2017, wasn't it?

5:46Rob Yeah, I think it's been a couple of years now, and I think it was quite successful. People, they also go round, and I think the way they're assigned When you apply, you assign yourself to which campsite you're likely to camp in, and, and kind of you're then given a big batch of bin bags and recycling bags to hand out, and you're encouraged to go and make sure people have got them. So if you don't manage to find one of the ones where people are giving them out at the information points, just keep your eyes open because there's going to be people walking around giving them out. And if you've got extra ones, especially on a Monday, if you've got extra ones, just, you know, see the people who are packing up and just make sure that they've got something.

6:22Jessi It's that community feel, isn't it? That's what I love about it. It's not just about you and your stuff, but just look around and see who needs some help and give them a bin bag.

6:30Rob Yeah, be helpful. But also remember that just because you're being nice and chirpy and helpful, they might not be quite so receptive on a Monday morning at the end of Glastonbury. Just, you know, give them a pat on the back and, you know, help them out.

6:42Miguel So after you got in and picked up your bin bags, you walk to your campsite of choice. In your campsite, how do you choose the spot for your tent?

6:50Rob How do I choose the spot for my tent?

6:51Miguel What do you look out for?

6:52Rob It's kind of an art really, and I think everybody has their own kind of system. It's like you want to make sure that you can remember where your tent is. For me, I like to be fairly near a crossroad, like where 2 paths meet, but not too close because I don't want to be right on the edge because people walking through, there's that hustle and bustle. So you want to be— but then again, I don't want to be too far in either because once you find the point, the reason I go for the crossroads is because when I get to that point, I then like find my tent and that's where I'm—

7:21Yeah, yeah.

7:22Rob Go off the track to my tent. So I don't want to be too far. So for me, it's near a crossroads because I think that's a good visual point to get And then just, I don't know really, because when—

7:32depending on what—

7:33Rob depending on what— again, for me, I almost have my pick of the field. Yeah, we'll get onto it shortly, but I always camp in the same place.

7:42Miguel Yeah.

7:42Rob And because I go for the overnight queue party thing, by, you know, 8 o'clock Wednesday, I'm set up, you know.

7:50Miguel But that's the thing, you guys get inside way earlier than I do.

7:53Rob Yeah.

7:53Miguel So some of us in my group, we go ahead with all the tents.

7:56Jessi Oh, right.

7:56Miguel Okay. So when we reach our campsite, because it's like, what, 12 on Wednesday?

8:01Rob Yeah, yeah.

8:01Miguel And then we go to a spot like, is this the best we can do? Should we keep going forward, or is— then we're gonna lose it, this one?

8:08Rob Yeah, that's—

8:08Miguel when do we stop?

8:09Rob It's like the Glasto Gamble, isn't it? Because when, when you go through the gate, there are— I can— there are obviously some people, maybe they're first-timers, and they're so excited, within the first 50 meters they're setting up their tent.

8:20Jessi Yeah.

8:21Rob And all I can think to myself is, you are so far away.

8:24Jessi Yeah.

8:24Miguel Yeah.

8:24Rob From where everything is. But I can imagine it's quite quiet there at night for camping because people who, who are more interested in being in the hustle and bustle aren't going to be wanting to walk all that way back because it is a way if you put— if you, um, set up your tent near the gate. Um, so I was, like I say, for me it's not so much I'm not looking around until I get to my, my field.

8:46Yeah.

8:46Rob Where I've chosen. And then when I get there, there's kind of me at the front, my friends behind me, and they're walking, and then I'm just kind of looking around almost at nothing, but I know I'm looking for that perfect spot. Is it like You know when you have the, the Y-shaped stick and you're looking for water? I kind of imagine me doing that, and then all of a sudden I'll stop. This is the point. This is my spot right here. And that's it.

9:07Miguel Do you guys think about what— where positioning the door? Do you look where the sun's gonna be in the morning?

9:11Jessi Well, yeah, I mean, the absolute dream is that you're somewhat under a tree a little bit, because then you've got shade in the morning so you don't get woken up super early in the morning. I mean, for me, I'm similar with Rob. Got to be near-ish a path.

9:24Miguel Yeah.

9:24Jessi So that you're— you can get out easy without having to climb over too many tents. Or actually, thinking about it, don't have to climb through tents on the way back in.

9:32Miguel Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9:32Jessi Once in the morning.

9:34Rob Once you've got changed.

9:35Jessi Once you've got changed, exactly. Um, but then also you want to be near-ish toilets but not too close.

9:40Rob Too close, yeah.

9:41Jessi Yeah, you want to— because I mean, people sort of go, oh, the smell, the smell. One thing, it's not just the smell being near the toilets, it's the banging of the doors.

9:48Rob Bang, okay.

9:49Jessi Oh, I didn't even think of that. So on the, on the long drops, they have the metal doors, and even if you think you're far away from the smell. Just have a listen when you first get there to hear that, because they're metal clang, clang, clang of the doors that will keep you awake until the early hours.

10:01Rob The other thing about the toilet area, and not, not just the toilet area because they are elsewhere, but taps. Taps are fantastic. Yeah, you might want to find where the nearest tap is. But again, they can become quite, um, sodden, if you like, the ground. Not just because of the, the water, the footfall, the combination of water and footfall. So those areas can become quite damp and boggy. So again, not be too close to it. But also bear in mind people are going to be using that water very early. The early risers that go and stand there for 10 minutes washing their hair at the tap, that's another thing.

10:34Jessi But yeah, I would say definitely near a path, ideally under, um, a shade, some shade if you can get it, somewhat near the toilets but not too close. But your, um, mention there of sort of how to position your tent, I didn't realise this was such a big thing. You have to think about it because you have to think where the bedroom is and which direction you're going to if you're on a slight slope, which a lot of Glastonbury is, you don't want to be rolling out the door in the middle of the night.

10:59Rob Yeah, that's true. I love how you said bedroom. It makes me think you've got this great big kind of elaborate castle.

11:04Jessi Okay, so the, the inner bit is the bedroom.

11:09Rob I know, it just made me think of it.

11:12Jessi Anyway, so bedroom. Yeah, where exactly? Think about where you're going to set up your—

11:16Rob Get the feng shui.

11:18Jessi Get the feng shui out. I think, you know, you bring your duvet, etc. It won't be long till you bring a mattress. So yeah, so I was thinking about, um, which direction you're gonna be sleeping in and making sure that, uh, ideally the door is facing down the hill. Because if it is a wet year, if it's facing up, then you might get runoff, um, for water and mud coming in the door. So it's always better to have the door facing somewhat downwards. Uh, and then yeah, having the bedroom so it's not on a weird angle so that you can see.

11:45Rob Yeah, because you could roll down the hill, I suppose, if you've got it side on.

11:48Jessi Yeah, so yeah, those are my go-tos.

11:51Miguel Good start to the morning, maybe. Yeah, excellent.

11:54Rob Waking up in the side of a— with all the clothes on top of you.

11:57Jessi Yeah, you will just end up bundled in one corner like, how have I got here?

12:00Rob What about yourself? Is there any top tips that you can enlighten us with?

12:05Miguel Well, I think it's when you finally decide where you're going to pitch your tent to kind of take a look at the ground, see there's nothing, any rubble or anything that can damage the ground sheet of your tent.

12:16Rob Or poke you.

12:16Miguel Oh yes, exactly. So that's the first thing I would do before opening up my tent and pitch it. But other than that, as I say, my main challenge arriving there is to decide when to stop. Is this the best I can do? Should I keep moving? And maybe if I don't see anything, maybe if it's too crowded ahead, I will go back and then I lost this one. So yeah, it's always, as you say, it's an art.

12:37Rob Glastonbury camo.

12:38Miguel Yeah, Glastonbury camo. Well, when you start pitching your tent, I think, as you say, people start helping each other. So it's a good moment to meet your neighbours as well.

12:48Rob Yeah, absolutely.

12:49Miguel You can always borrow like a mallet if you need.

12:51Rob Yeah, well, I must admit, that's one of my things I do take after I hurt my hand trying to push pegs in, in hindsight.

12:57Jessi I'm that person who always goes, has anyone got a mallet?

12:59Miguel Exactly, yeah.

13:00Jessi That's me.

13:02Miguel Yeah. And some years I actually help people pitch their tents, someone who's maybe new to camping.

13:07Rob Yeah, new to camping or maybe partied too hard in the queue and then just decides to lay there flat out on the floor. Well, and then as they awake, their tent's put up.

13:15Miguel I just hope—

13:16Rob Fantastic.

13:17Miguel I just hope it's not someone who's just lazy and just pretending. How do I do this?

13:21Rob It's always amazing how they wake up just as the tent's finished putting up. Oh, you are, you are still with us there. Fantastic. Well, I'll put your tent up for you.

13:29Miguel Well, I wanted to ask Jessi because she organizes like a really big group. How is the organizing of the tents around your spot?

13:36Jessi Yeah, I mean, there's always quite a few. Like I said, I think last year we did something like 17 tents, something like that. Yeah. Um, and it's one of those— people always want to camp in a big circle and all face each other and have this nice kind of setup. But I will say Glastonbury has big as it is, there's still so many people arriving, um, and they need every bit of space they can possibly get. So I'm all about having that communal bit in the middle, um, but I think a circle is, is just a bad idea. You need to sort of arrange the tents so that they're slightly wonky angles, just so everyone's got enough space to put a chair out in the morning and kind of sit there.

14:12Miguel Yeah, that's a good balance, I think, isn't it?

14:14Jessi Exactly, exactly. Um, and, and the other thing is, if you leave too big a gap in the middle, you'll wake up on Thursday morning and someone will have come and put their tent in the middle. Now, definitely, I mean, definitely do not get angry with that person if that happens, because the stewards tell you to fill in that space.

14:28True, yeah.

14:28Jessi So they might not have gone, oh, I'm gonna go and invade these people's space. They've probably been told by someone you need to go in there and use that gap. It's all about creating a space in the middle that you can use but not being too greedy. Uh, you know, don't be angry if people do come into that space. And also the other thing, I don't know if you guys have had this, where people tie their guy ropes together or like put tape around their—

14:52Rob Almost like a little picket fence.

14:54Miguel Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think that's a good idea.

14:58Jessi Oh, it's horrible. And I just think, I get that it's annoying when people constantly walk through your tents, I get that, but everyone's trying to get home, everyone's trying to do their thing. So just making those ties means it's more likely that someone is going to try and go through there, not be able to, and fall over and break it.

15:14Rob Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's not It's not an assault course. We're not, we're not trying to build an assault course. But if you, uh, remember that, you know, in the early hours of the morning when the partygoers come back with Miguel having been out all night drinking whiskies with Jessi, and they're not going to be as careful with their footing. Not— it's just the way it is. So people are going to trip up over things. I'm not saying don't put guy ropes out, but those little picket fences are very, very difficult to negotiate.

15:41Jessi Yeah, you don't need to mark your territory. This isn't like—

15:43Rob yeah, I can see why people People want to. You want to create this lovely little space for you and your friends, and I get that, and it's lovely. But you must remember that, that, you know, pushing 200,000 people—

15:54Miguel Common sense, really.

15:55Rob Yeah, I think, I think a lot of people got to fit in.

15:58Miguel I think what Jessi said, to have enough space to put your chairs— you, you're still going to have a communal space.

16:03Yeah.

16:04Rob And I think it would be foolish to think otherwise. But I also think that this might have been where the migration of the gazebo came from. It's almost like a, I'm marking my ground here. This is here, so please don't, don't put your tent here. Again, same with, with a flag, if you put a flag in the middle. And I get it and I understand. And actually, if it is raining, it creates that little area of respite for you and your friends to sit. But, you know, there's, there's a difference between one of the small ones and I've seen some now that are—

16:32Jessi Event shelters, they're huge.

16:34Rob They're almost like room size and that really is too much.

16:38Jessi Yeah. I mean, Glastonbury actively say don't bring gazebos. I mean, I've seen people been told by stewards to take them down. I mean, usually they put them up.

16:46Rob There's just not the space to allow everybody to bring them.

16:49Jessi Yeah, exactly. I think if you're going to bring a gazebo— I get it, especially like, for example, 2017 when it was so hot on the Wednesday. I will admit, we— I tell all of my friends, don't bring a gazebo. But me being a massive hypocrite, I went and found shelter under somebody else's gazebo who wasn't actually using it at the time, and I laid there for a minute because I was just so hot. I get that it's nice to have that sheltered bit from either the rain or the sun. But if you're gonna do it, place the gazebo slightly over the entrance to your tents. Like, don't take up the entire gazebo space, you know what I mean? Like, utilize the porches of your tent.

17:21Rob Be savvy with it.

17:22Jessi Exactly. Just don't, don't be mean.

17:24Rob Don't—

17:24Jessi be respectful of everybody else.

17:25Rob Be respectful of those around you.

17:26Jessi There's a sentence I want to say, but I— we're trying to keep this really PG. Yeah, I'm gonna say it's don't be a blank.

17:32Rob You know what I'm gonna say.

17:34Exactly.

17:34Rob I think everybody knows what you mean.

17:36Jessi Exactly. Be a nice person.

17:37Rob I mean, think about if you were not doing that or whatever and you came across one of these people and it was, I don't know, Friday morning and for whatever reason you just decided to arrive and you think, right, I've got to put my tent up and there's nowhere. And then you look over here and you see this, like, 4 tents taking up an absolute— it's, you know, you could, you'd feel annoyed, wouldn't you? So I think generally that's the kind of thing they're trying to avoid.

17:59Jessi Yeah, exactly.

18:00Miguel Which is a question that I see coming frequently is like, if you can save spot for someone else, which I still think, yeah, if you want to do that, you bring their tent and you prepare your area together then.

18:12Rob Yeah, I think you can, you can certainly try. And, and I think, I think this with a lot of things, you can try and save a space. Like, it happens with car parking spaces. By all means, try and save it, but if somebody else comes along and wants it, well, you've kind of, you've had your go. Um, you've got no entitlement to that space.

18:28Jessi I think if you're going to do that, at least be at your tent, you know. And you won't be able to save it for a day or two, but if you have one friend who's, you know, running an hour behind you, then that should be fine if you just say, look, sorry, I've got a friend coming. in the ideal world, you take their tent, as Miguel said.

18:42Rob Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:42Jessi Um, but if not, then, you know, at least be there actively, uh, kind of saying, oh, sorry guys, I've got a friend coming in a minute.

18:48Rob Yeah.

18:49Jessi I was saying to Miguel on the way here, um, this is about Bestival, so completely another story, uh, my group in 2012 at Bestival were told by stewards, please use that space, go in there.

18:58Rob Yeah.

18:59Jessi We set up our tents and it was clear that the people there had made a ring and they were hoping to keep it as that, but we were told to go in there, put up our tent, They weren't even there to say, you know, please don't camp here.

19:10Miguel Yeah, yeah.

19:11Jessi Uh, and yeah, when they came back, they were really mean and really horrible to us. So it was not very nice. Yeah, yeah.

19:16Rob Not the best start.

19:17Miguel You should just accept that it can happen, right?

19:19Jessi Yeah, exactly. If it does happen, just, you know, it's— they've probably been told to camp there. Don't be mean.

19:23Miguel Is it probably the type of people who in the tube use a seat just for their bags?

19:27Jessi Oh yes, exactly. Definitely that kind of person.

19:30Rob I mean, you can't— we can't tell you what to do and what not to do, but if you are going to leave a tent-sized gap, it's your risk. Yeah, exactly.

19:37And don't—

19:37Rob What I'm saying is the ethos is Glastonbury.

19:39Jessi To share.

19:39Rob Yeah, absolutely.

19:41Jessi Yeah, one of the other like different things about Glastonbury is that they actually allow fires, which a lot of festivals have kind of said absolutely not so far. So they put trust in us, which is good. But Rob, I think you're the perfect person. Have you, uh, used— have you had a fire there?

20:05Rob Do you get firewood? You know what, I, I've had a number of experiences with fire, and this goes— dates right back to being in the Cubs, in the Scouts, and campfires. Now, obviously, we are talking about campfires specifically, and I think there are a number of things with campfires that you just kind of need to be aware of. The size of the fire, for me, is— generally speaking, when people have campfires at Glastonbury, it tends to be the little ones. They get the wood which is available, I think. I don't know if it's specifically, but I, from memory, I tend to notice that they sell it by the more convenient stall areas.

20:39Yeah.

20:39Jessi So I just can't remember exactly There's a few of them, I think.

20:42Rob Yeah, and they do sell it, and there's— it's quite, um, popular to take it down to the Stone Circle or something, not even if you don't have it by your tent. Because the thing with having a fire by your tent is, um, wood will crackle and, and it will spit embers, so you've always got that kind of— whilst it's not likely to burn your tent down, a little, a little ember may singe or, or burn a small hole in your tent. So it's just something that you've got, because they do crackle, and even if it lands on you, it's not— I mean, it— you'll, you'll feel it and it may give a little burn, but it's not going to cause so much But to something like whatever tents are made of, nylons and polythenes and things like that, I don't know exactly what it is, but it will melt. And even if it's that tiniest little hole, you know for a fact that it's gonna rain if that happens, if you get that little hole in your tent.

21:24Jessi That's your expensive tent there with a hole in it. You don't want that.

21:27Rob So if you're gonna have a little campfire, fine, but you know, just bear in mind you're surrounded. So that's not just you, that's other people around you. So whether they're sat close, whether they're sleeping, whether they've got drinks out, even And the wind direction, if they're sat close by, because the thing with fire is it's nice, it's warm, but it— the, the smoke does have that kind of smell to it that just clings to your clothes.

21:48Yeah.

21:49Rob Um, so even a sudden change in the wind might blow and fill your smoke, uh, your tent with smoke. That's going to make everything smell. So just be aware of that and other people around you. One of the things that we say, well, I would say when I'm talking to people about fires, if you're going to have them, and this counts for The small barbecues as well. Have something nearby that would be sufficient if you needed to extinguish it quickly. Yeah, I agree. Generally, if you're going to go for the small, small bonfires, because they, they are just for a bit of fun while you all sit around them in the dark, a 2-litre bottle of water generally will be enough to knock it down. And then you, you probably, if you've got walking boots on, maybe stamp out any embers afterwards. But definitely have something. And that just shows that for people around you, That you've thought about it. You've got that little bit of respect as well, that you have got a fire, you've recognized the potential, and you've got that bottle of water there to put it out.

22:38Jessi I think it, you know, not just that, when you go to bed, I've seen people just sort of get up and walk away from a dying fire and go, yeah, I'm going to bed now. It's like, no, you need to put that out because that will still keep going for a couple of hours.

22:50Rob Oh, absolutely. And even if something like a little gust of wind picks up, if that blows into that bottom, that's going to give it Some extra oxygen in there and it's going to burn up again. It could, it could again go to— if you left a small dying pile like embers and smouldering, there could get just a little breeze on there, might be enough to produce, to reignite a flame again. And unattended fires tend to be where these problems come from, which is what I said about having that bottle of water. And the thing especially is—

23:15Miguel Don't confuse with a bottle of whiskey though.

23:17Rob Oh no, yeah, definitely not, or vodka or whatever it is. But yeah, you don't want to go throw anything like that on there. When you people have got the little circle of tents and they leave it there, I sometimes wonder whether they're thinking it might keep them that little bit warmer. This brings me on to a point which has happened, and I have heard of it happening, is people that use the disposable barbecues, and when they've finished and it's died down just to those burning coals, if they've taken it inside their tent but to keep them warm, what will happen is it's going to continue to cause carbon monoxide. And unfortunately, if it burns enough, and, and fills your tent with carbon monoxide, you, you will die.

23:53Miguel It's the silent killer, isn't it?

23:55Rob Yeah, it is. A couple of lungfuls of that will knock you unconscious, and then a few more, and that's it. And you can't smell carbon monoxide.

24:01Miguel No.

24:01Rob You can smell the fire. So even if it's cold— and I don't know if this is common knowledge or people worry about things like this, I certainly do— but if, if you see anybody that's got a disposable barbecue inside a tent, even if you're in the sleeping part and and you've got the, the thing in, in the porch area. But absolutely not. It's incredibly dangerous. Incredibly dangerous. So, I mean, I've given a few, you know, definitely do-nots kind of with fires, or at least cautious. But I, I kind of— the thing about fires is I find them quite mesmerizing as well. So—

24:35True.

24:36Rob I'm not saying don't have them because I think they're like— they are really nice, um, and they are warm and pretty and whatever. Just, you know, if you've got that little bit of foresight of being sensible, I think I think it's really good advice, but I'd much rather join the big campfires. Yeah, absolutely.

24:52Miguel I mean, Strummerville, uh, there's a big one in Strummerville, isn't it? And as you say, Stone Circle, they always have a little good one in the center with someone looking after.

25:00Rob That's thoroughly enjoyable. It's one of the highlights for me. Yeah, I mean, you talked about me, um, having campfire. I don't generally have them because of that exact reason, Miguel.

25:08Miguel And I think it's a proper campfire experience because then you're going to be with strangers that maybe we're going to become friends.

25:13Rob Yeah, exactly.

25:15Miguel It's a full campfire experience.

25:16Rob There are no strangers at Glastonbury.

25:16Jessi There are just friendships.

25:31Rob Okay, so we've talked about setting up camp and getting everything ready and, you know, what to have with us and everything like that, but we haven't actually spoken about where to camp. So Miguel, enlighten us, where do you camp?

25:44Miguel So the last My last 2 times at the festival, I've been camping at Payne's Ground, which is sort of near the park area, near Arcadia.

25:51Rob Yeah, yeah.

25:52Miguel And that's my choice because I find it a good balance. It has a party atmosphere, but it also has a bit of quiet in the evening.

25:59Rob In the evening. In the morning. Like you get quiet.

26:02Miguel There's this moment where I say this.

26:04Rob We all laugh.

26:05Miguel Yes, I stay up until the sunrise. So yeah, at least during the early hours, it's quite quiet to sleep there. So yeah, I go to Payne's Ground, and it's also, well, Well, it's near the southeast corner, it's a nice walk from the Stone Circle after I see the sunrise.

26:22Rob Because it's quite close to the old railway, isn't it?

26:25Miguel And also that, I think it has good connections to take you to other places, to other areas of the map. So that's been my choice in the last 2 years.

26:32Jessi I've just realized we've been talking about the old railway. We might just actually have to explain what that is. Well, it is quite clearly an old railway line, but it's like a raised, like, very straight Uh, path that goes along the bottom end of the site. Yeah, just for any newbies.

26:47Miguel Which is great to take you quickly to.

26:49Jessi It's a very good—

26:50Rob It's like the motorway, isn't it?

26:51Yes, exactly.

26:52Jessi Like most of us get from east to west easy, easy, quick.

26:54Miguel Exactly. It goes across and it's quite nice. There's a lot of little things in, in the middle, like little— you've got the permaculture that— well, I'm going to another subject now, but yeah, there's, uh, if you're walking down the railway, there's a lot of things going on the sides as well.

27:07Rob So it's, it's nice having that close by where— from where we're camping.

27:11Miguel But it's good to note there was a switch between Paints Ground and Dairy Ground. They changed the name, I think, 2 years ago. I'm not sure exactly how. I think they just realized they'd been calling it the wrong way. So if anyone is gonna maybe read some forums or advice from a few years ago, have that in mind that the names, the names changed. So now Paints Ground used to be Dairy Ground, Dairy Ground used to be Paints Ground. It's very complicated.

27:33Rob I think, yeah, especially in recent years, you kind of have to really check the map each year because for the changes.

27:39Jessi They change names and add names.

27:40Rob So you've, uh, we've talked about the, the, the, uh, old railway line being, yeah, being there, and that's, that is handy. And, and some of the other— what other kind of things really sell that camping spot to you?

27:50Miguel Well, because, I mean, I chose that mainly because of the location. It's near where I end my nights. And, uh, it wasn't my first, uh, campsite actually. My first Glastonbury, I end up at Bushy Grounds.

28:00Rob Okay, well, it's not too far away, is it?

28:02Miguel No, no, it's too close. I, I go through Bushy Grounds when I, I walk. I'm walking from Gate A to Bains Ground. I I go past it and I look at it with quite fond memories of Bushy Ground. Yeah, but down memory lane. Yes, but it was 2011, my first Glastonbury. I got there late in the afternoon. When I reached the first campsite information point, they told me all my first choices were already full capacity. So they recommended me Bushy Ground, which was a new campsite I think that year, and that's where I went. There was a lot of space there even at 4 or 5 in the afternoon.

28:34Rob That's good to know.

28:35Miguel Yeah, I would say Bushy Ground is still a good choice if you get there later on Wednesday. But after being to my second time and my third time at Glastonbury, and now I know what I want from it and which areas I visit most. I chose— actually, my first choice was Park Homeground.

28:51Rob Ah, good choice.

28:52Miguel But when I got there, this was what, 2016 I think? I couldn't get a spot there. Then I found out about Payne's Ground, and in 2017 I end up going back to Payne's Ground, which I think happens a lot. People tend to go back to the campsites.

29:06Rob Yeah, I think when you find something you like and you have a good experience there, then yeah, I think people tend to like to go back to where what they know.

29:14Miguel Yeah, if he worked for you one year, you end up just going back.

29:17Jessi Wait, Park Homeground? I'm sure that's where you camp, Rob. Is that right?

29:20Rob Well, yeah, I suppose the secret's out. I wasn't actually— I said I was going to keep that one close to my chest, but yeah, Park Homeground is in fact where I've camped every year, every year that I've been.

29:30Jessi Since 2002?

29:31Rob Since 2002.

29:31Miguel See, people tend to go back to the same campsites.

29:33Rob Well, I'm totally guilty of it, and I would be lying if I said it was called that then. I don't know, I wasn't quite so into looking at the map, knowing what the names of things were in those first years. I was of just to find my way around and explore and learn the way. You know, I didn't go by signs or anything like that. But so I've been coming there every year since 2002. That hasn't changed, but the things around me really have changed.

29:56Yeah.

29:56Rob You know, it just ticks every box for me. It ticks every box for me. It's nice and flat. The way that the paths are set out, I can find myself my little crossroads, or it's a T-junction area where I can use that for a point of reference. It's not too far to the lockup, so Just down the way. There are some long drops, but they're out the way enough that the noise and the smell doesn't bother me. And also there's some compost quite close, and I prefer to use those. There's a water point, a tap, again, not too close but not too far away.

30:26Yeah.

30:26Rob And other than that, you know, everything else that I could want. I, you know, I could use the alarm clock of the Other Stage kicking in as a means of me waking up. And I can use, since it's moved, Arcadia As a means of it's time to not go to bed, but go and find somewhere else to party for the rest of the night.

30:43Jessi You can always find your— at least the area you're in, just follow the fire.

30:47Rob Exactly. I mean, the thing with even if you've got no sense of direction, if you plonk yourself between Arcadia and the Other Stage, you're in about the right area to find your tent. And if you've spotted a flag nearby, you can't be too far wrong. So it does take a little bit of time to walk there, but it's totally worth it. And if you're going on to Oxlayers, which is the the next field along towards the Other Stage. Again, you're almost there. A friend of mine used to like to camp there. I convinced him otherwise, that it was better to stay where we are because it is just that right side of being less hectic. There isn't as much kind of constant foot traffic, you know. Like you say, it is really close to the train line and you do get a lot of people using that as a cut-through, which is— that is busy.

31:36Jessi Yeah.

31:37Rob We're kind of set back a little bit. So I mean, I, I can't fault it, and I probably should to try and deter people from overcrowding me.

31:45Jessi Don't go there.

31:46Rob Yeah, I wouldn't really dream of it. That's what we're here for. And honestly, it's— for me, uh, it's, it's the, the perfect spot. I'm not gonna let everybody in on the exact location because that is— I have perfected over years. Yeah, but you know, you've made me give away my spot, Jessi, so come on, let's hear yours.

32:02Jessi I've made you? Okay, all right then, we'll take that. Um, my spot is, uh, very different from you guys. I'm on the other side of the site. We always aim for Big Ground, and we have always got Big Ground, and that is located, um, kind of northeast of the site, um, near Gate B. It's probably the closest gate, and it's— people know it because it's almost like at the back of the Pyramid Field. So Pyramid faces out onto the field in front of it, you've got the tree at the back that everybody knows, and then Big Ground is just behind that.

32:33Rob Yeah, yeah.

32:33Jessi People always recognize it as well because it always has the Peace Tent, which is the lockup that has the big peace sign on the top.

32:38Rob Yeah.

32:38Jessi So yeah, we always aim for there. Um, reason being is, um, you know, people just go, oh, you want to be near the Pyramid Field? No, like, that's— I mean, I watch some bands on the Pyramid Field, but that's not— I'm not one of those stay by the main stage all day. For me, it's because it's just easiest access and quickest access along a kind of corner access, I guess. So we're in the corner, and then if you go one way, you walk along the top of the Pyramid Field And you get to John Peel and Silver Hayes. And if you go the other way down what's known as Muddy Lane, uh, you get down to Williams Green, uh, West Holts, The Glade. And you know, from West Holts, obviously that's easy access for the one-way system into— yeah, I love West Holts, right? It's like super easy access for us.

33:20Miguel Muddy Lane, that's new for me actually.

33:21Jessi Muddy Lane, you didn't know that? Oh, Muddy— oh, Water Lane. I can't—

33:24Miguel I think it's—

33:25Rob I'm sure it's Muddy Lane.

33:26Jessi Everybody refers to it as Muddy Lane. Um, yeah, so you get to West Holts and then And that's straight into the southeast corner for the evenings. So for me—

33:33Miguel Location, location, location.

33:34Jessi Location, location, location. Um, the first year I went there, which was my first Glastonbury, that I had no choice in the matter, that was when my friends camped. They got there so early that they were very lucky to be along the tree line, which meant there was shadow in the morning. So that was an absolute dream. We haven't— I have yet to manage to do that again. Um, because of the size of our group, we've ended up camping a bit further out, so not along the edge under the nice shade. But still, it's great. And it used to be, uh, until 2015— this was another big selling point for my friends— that it used to be the site of the only flushable porcelain toilets until 2015. So they had rows of these, uh, porcelain toilets cubicles on a lorry, which was very odd.

34:17Rob Right.

34:17Jessi So like on 2 lorry, uh, trucks or lorry beds, I guess, they had these Oh no, I know what you mean, the kind of— Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they used to have those at the top of Big Ground, but I mean, for very good reasons of water short— you know, water use, they don't have them anymore. But they've still got really good kind of new long drops around the area as well. So yeah, that's why we've always gone there, again for location purposes. It's on a hill as well, but not too steep a hill, so if it does get very wet, you're not at the bottom in a muddy kind of soak-up area. I, yeah, I, I think it's just where we've gone and where we always aim for. We do tend to have a plan B, but luckily we haven't had to use it yet.

34:59Miguel Well, you guys get there super early, so maybe it's not even needed, isn't it?

35:03Rob I must admit, I, yeah, I've kind of got it into my mind that there's not really anything that can go hugely wrong, so.

35:09Jessi Well, you camp with a couple of people, right? I do.

35:12Rob It's a fairly small group. Yeah, there's a fairly small group. Um, we get there so early And I understand that people don't have the, you know, the, the privilege to be able to get there on a Wednesday or a Tuesday or whatever. But I mean, is it safe to say that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter where you camp? Glastonbury will still be the same. Everything will still be there and you'll still have a fantastic time. Yeah, of course. I mean, we can give you tips about why we choose where we choose and that there are valid reasons and a bit of planning and perhaps getting earlier will help, but it's not the be-all and end-all. You know, at the end of the day, you're going to have a fantastic time whatever day you Yeah, I mean, I only need to have a plan B because there's so many of us.

35:49Jessi I think even Big Ground, if you just had 1 or 2 tents, you'd be able to squeeze in there till about 3, 4 in the afternoon on Wednesday.

35:56Yeah.

35:56Jessi Um, but because there's so many of us and we all want to camp together, that's the only reason we need to have a plan B. If we did get there and there wasn't space for us all either, we wouldn't necessarily have to put our tents up in a circle. We'd still be in Big Ground but slightly split off, so we'd fill in the holes. Or yeah, we'd have a plan B and, you know, end up end up somewhere more towards the northwest side, uh, you know, all that kind of, um, Pylon Ground and stuff like that. We'd end up— we'd head that way and it would not be the end of the world. So it's, it's, it's good to have an idea of where you'd love to go, uh, and then also factor in a plan B, or just go with the flow if you're a bit more chilled than me.

36:31Rob So I think kind of a good way to wrap it up would be it's great to have a plan, and I think as long as you've kind of got a realistic approach to it, then you're going to have a reasonable effort and a reasonable chance of getting what you want. You know, if you are arriving a Wednesday morning, then yeah, have a great big scope, you know, have your plan A, maybe a plan B. If you're arriving a little bit later in the week, even to as late as Friday, just have a think about what the likelihood is, what the situation is definitely going to be, and kind of set your expectations accordingly. There's no reason for you to be negative. Okay?

37:02Jessi Ask the stewards would be my thing, honestly. They are radioing around, they know where's full, where's empty.

37:08Miguel They have a full map and they go colour coding how full it is. Yeah, yeah, for the first time, it's definitely a good strategy.

37:15Rob So ask the stewards, they'll give you— they'll also tell you how long it's going to take you to get there, aren't they? So I think definitely take on their advice, use them for the information that's available.

37:25Miguel Now we've been to the festival many times, we choose our campsite according to the way we experience the festival, which is something that someone who's never been there still doesn't know.

37:35Rob Definitely. So would you say that we experience the festival the way that we do because of where we camped that first time? And that's what we're used to, you know?

37:43Miguel So maybe where you end your first time is going to shape you forever.

37:47Rob I think it might. I think it might. So maybe there is something to say, actually, throw caution to the wind and maybe we'll camp at your end of the festival, Jessi. Yeah, and you come down and camp where we do.

37:58Miguel Terrible reality show idea.

38:02Jessi Campsite swap. I was gonna say, I have camped down your end. It's not like I've— I have tried it. I wasn't big ground the entire time. I've had a couple of years where we didn't manage to get in there. This was quite early on in my Glastonbury years, so when I didn't have so big a group. I've done Oxlers that you said, or Oxleyers, Oxlers, Oxlers, whatever it is. Uh, and that was 2010, so it was a beautifully, almost too hot year. Uh, so it was actually quite a good place to camp. My only concern with that place has always been I would camp there again, but it's on a flat and at the bottom of the valley, so I've seen it get quite muddy when walking between, uh, Dance Village— sorry, I was about to say Silver Hayes, I mean. Dance Village.

38:44Rob You were saying Jazzworld next.

38:45Jessi Yeah, exactly, showing my age. Um, so between Silver Hayes and Arcadia, like walking that, I've seen on muddy years it's got quite nasty around there. Um, so that's why I don't camp there anymore. Uh, and I've also done Penard Hill, which is the one that everybody always wants to camp at. It's always Penard Hill, Penard Hill. Uh, it's known as the party area, and I get it. Like, it, it used to be right next to South— well, it is still right next to Southeast Corner, but it used to be you'd be able to nip into Shangri-La, you know, at the shortest walk. Since they've put the one-way system in, it's a bit further away now, but it's still got that party reputation of like party, party, party.

39:21Rob And it's a short walk home, isn't it?

39:23Jessi It's a short walk home from the party town. Um, I don't know, I, I did it once. This was years ago, well, 2011, something like that. It was, it was all right, but I just found it was a big campsite, really loud, and I didn't really feel like there were enough toilets there. But again, this was 2011, this is a while ago. They might have fixed this now.

39:39Rob I haven't camped— I've been through do it. I mean, I've, I've carried some stuff over there for friends that I took in, um, that they're heavy items, and I carried it over. And it's not somewhere that I would personally camp. It's a bit too— it's very— it's quite crowded, isn't it? Because a lot of, a lot of people want to camp there. And it really is a case there, every square centimeter is covered in tent, isn't it?

40:01Jessi You won't be able to have like a ring of tents with a bit of space in the middle.

40:04Miguel Yeah, having camped in Bushy Ground and then Pains Ground, I can tell that bushy ground, even by Saturday, you, you have more room. There's more room around you and it feels more spacious, really.

40:14Rob Penard's just— there's no grass, is there?

40:16Jessi There's no— yeah, it's absolutely packed in. You will probably fall over onto somebody else's tent when trying to get through.

40:22Rob And I'm sure there are people that think— hear that and think, brilliant, that's for me.

40:25Yeah, yeah, that's where I want to go.

40:26Rob Brilliant. That's right.

40:27Jessi But one thing with Penard, if it's going to be— I mean, we've messed up the climate so much, I'm hoping it will be nice in June. We're all positive that way. But if it's not, If you've seen pictures of flooded Glastonbury from 2007 of like, uh, water up to the top of tents and little hats poking out of tents, if you've seen those photos—

40:44Rob Snorkels.

40:45Jessi Yeah, snorkels. Exactly, people swimming to their tents. If you've seen those photos, that is Penard Hill Ground at the bottom. So if you're gonna camp there, my only thing is camp up the top. Do not be tempted to go, oh, it's fine, I'll come down here.

40:58Rob Yeah, the bottom is the last place to fill.

41:01Jessi Yeah.

41:01Miguel Yeah, I love sending those images to someone who just bought their first Glastonbury ticket and explain, no, this doesn't happen much anymore.

41:08Jessi Yeah, they put drainage systems in, to be fair. Like, I know they put a big drainage system in after that happened, but still, the bottom of the hill is never the fun place to camp. You want to be at the top.

41:15Miguel But you know something I love really? And it's good that you camp on the opposite side. I really like to have friends camping in different areas. To go visit them?

41:23Rob Yeah, exactly.

41:25Miguel It's good to— I mean, we meet to go out in the festival, but I also like, Oh, let me see where you're camping. And then it's nice to one day— And it's almost— Yeah, just go and visit them.

41:33Rob And they should start showing you around, don't they?

41:35The sense of community.

41:36Miguel And then let me just stop there and see if Jessi's at her tent. It's amazing to visit people at Glastonbury.

41:41Rob Do you find when you take people to it, they're like, okay, so the toilets are over here, and you start showing them around like, yeah, this is where we sit.

41:48Jessi Show me your hood.

41:48Rob This is my chair. This is always here.

41:51Miguel It's so amazing.

41:52Rob Like, but you do take—

41:53Miguel Like Saturday to just go visit people.

41:55Rob You take ownership of your little area, don't you?

41:56Miguel I love that.

41:57Jessi That is one thing I say to friends who are going, and they say, oh yeah, we should meet up while we're there, we should meet up while there. I'm like, yes, but we have to meet up on the Wednesday or the Thursday, because if you don't, then there's absolutely no way you'll meet up on Friday, Saturday, Sunday. If you meet up on the Wednesday or the Thursday, and as Miguel said, you find out where they're camping—

42:14Miguel Exchange addresses.

42:14Jessi Exchange addresses, exactly. Then at least you know, like, if you're in that area, you can be like, oh, let's just see if Miguel's at his tent, and you can stick your head over. And if you're there sitting, you'd be like, hey, And it's lovely.

42:26Miguel I think this adds to this feeling that those 5 days is just something different, isn't it? You disconnect from everything else and you just live inside this community. I love it.

42:34Rob It's amazing. You saying that's just made me think of something actually. I'll just ask you, has either of you ever tried the app where you, um, pinpoint your tent? I, I haven't personally.

42:45Miguel No.

42:45Rob But I'd love to know how good it is and how accurate it is.

42:49Jessi On the EE app. I can never say that.

42:51Rob The EE app.

42:52Jessi Um, yeah, I, I did it once and then never used it.

42:56Right.

42:57Jessi Um, but that was, uh, funnily enough where the name of my blog came from.

43:00All right.

43:01Jessi We were discussing this, we were talking about sort of that you can get tent finder apps, you can get little devices that you hang in your tent and you push a button on your phone, it flashes, so you're like, this is my one. Yeah. So we were talking about all these different things, and because people buy the same supermarket tents and they all look the same, yeah, exactly, which one's yours? Um, but yeah, I haven't used it, but yeah, that's another thing. Interesting. Take out to the listeners if any of you guys used it and it's amazingly accurate, or is it more of a— it's just, I don't even know what field I'm in.

43:30Miguel It's fun to get lost, right?

43:31Rob Well, yeah, because I was thinking I wouldn't—

43:33Miguel Stop bringing technology to my festivals.

43:35Rob Well, I wasn't thinking of using it for my tent, but I was thinking if, if your tent was over the other side of the festival, I might think, oh, where was it? I've only been here once, I'm never gonna remember if I, if I used it in that instance.

43:45Miguel But again, it's part of the fun.

43:47Rob Yeah, I'm by the flag.

43:50Jessi Yeah, or if you're a new person and you've get to the festival and you do exactly what we've mentioned, you get off, you are carrying all your stuff, you get in through the gate and you're tired, you're like, oh, I, I'll just go to here, and you don't know where you are. That could be quite good for the Tent Finder app to sort of pin yourself. So at least when you then start to get your bearings over the first day, you can go, ah, that's where, that's where I've got to head back to.

44:11Rob Yeah, because details of the app aren't available yet and we don't know who's going to be developing it or anything like that, but that was, that was something that hopefully will still be, uh, on the new app.

44:21Jessi They must have an app. If they If they don't, then—

44:22Rob Oh no, they will. I just, I'm hoping that the same features are available because I imagine that was, it was a good one. I mean, we've discussed the campsites where we like to camp, where we have camped previously, and where we camp now, but Glastonbury is a lot bigger than that, isn't it? There's a lot of campsites that we haven't spoken about, and obviously we're not gonna be able to because we haven't camped there. But one thing I would say is that when the map comes out, really, I say really study it, but have a think about all the different areas that are available to you. Have a look at the stages, have a look at the kind the different types of music that those stages are going to be playing. If you're looking for something a little bit more specific, then maybe cater your camping choice to that.

45:00Miguel Each area has their personality, isn't it?

45:03Rob Absolutely, yeah.

45:04Miguel On Glastonbury's official website, they have a section on each of the main areas, so it's good to do some reading on that.

45:10Rob Yeah, you can look at acts who've played there previously, the kind of vibe they're going for. I mean, some of them are slightly more obvious than others, Silver Hayes being obviously the dance area as a good example. I mean, if you are are predominantly going to be listening to dance music, you're going to want to camp near the Silver Hayes area. That's— I mean, I think that just goes without saying.

45:30Jessi Yeah, I would say get your group together and have a chat to see about what is most important to you. So if it's, I want to get a good night's sleep, or I want to be definitely dry, or I want to be close to the car park, I don't have to walk too far— like, have that conversation, think about what is most important to you. And one thing, I mean, I've put on my festival blog. Like, I wrote it for the 2017 festival, so I might have to update it when the new map comes out.

45:54Yeah.

45:55Jessi Um, but I did a little breakdown of, of the different campsites, and I gave them ratings out of 10 for these different factors. So I might put that as a, as a link on, um, on our page, and then you can go and have a look at that. And then definitely you can have a chat with your mates and go, right, well, actually, I really— we would like to have a good night's sleep, so maybe we'll choose this campsite. It's about thinking what is most important to you about where you camp, and then you can have a look at all the different resources online. Another one, Torts Guide, is like a big one, very detailed, so it's a lot of reading, but if you really want to get into this, that's a good one to, to research and see what's there.

46:27Miguel I definitely use, uh, Torts Guide in my first years at Glastonbury, and also eFestivals. I just spent going back 10, 20 pages to— and I was just reading discussion from years ago. I mean, I think you can also always start a new thread, make, make a new question, and everyone there is very helpful. So it's another resource you can use to understand what's going on in different areas and good suggestions where to camp. Depending on the type of person you are, you can put a question on that.

46:51Rob Yeah, I mean, because the one thing that people like to do is talk about Glastonbury, and they always have done for such a long time, which means there's a lot of information from recently, there's a lot of information from previous festivals, isn't there, for you to, for you to draw on.

47:05Miguel So basically, tap into the knowledge of the veterans.

47:07Rob Absolutely, that's a great way of putting it.

47:09Miguel That's what That's why we do the podcast.

47:11Rob Yeah, fantastic. I mean, and Jessi's blog is going to be a great tool for that. Yeah, the rest of our websites that we've spoken about. And anything that maybe we don't talk about, we don't manage to cover in the podcast, use any of our socials, use any of our Twitter handles and ask us. We can, we can answer as many questions as we can. More than happy to do so.

47:31Jessi On that note, Rob, we actually have once again asked you guys, the listeners, to help us out with this episode because all the campsites we've talked about are the normal more standard, buy a ticket, you know, in you go and camp in a tent. So there are obviously many options. You can pay extra for Worthy View, you can pay extra and bring a camper van, and there are many external— there's obviously accessibility camping as well in various areas. You've got external campsites as well, things like Tangerine Fields, and there's the teepees. So we have gone out to you guys and asked for any other experiences that we might not have done, and we've got some clips here now from from, from you guys, the listeners. So let's jump in and hear some of those.

48:09Hello, GlastoCast! My name is Dan, and if you so wish, you can find me on Twitter @caballosblancos. And I'm going to talk about what it's like to stay in the campervan fields at Glastonbury Festival. So I'm in a group of 8 or 9 souls. It will be 8 if one of my idiot friends doesn't pay their balance this week, and we are taking on Campervan East, as we have every year for the last 4 or 5 years or so. I'll talk a bit about some of the good things of staying in the campervan fields and some of the not so good things, because there are a few, but the single best thing is that you get to start your festival a day before everyone else. You can turn up on the Tuesday, spend the day bedding in, arranging all your gear. We always use Tuesday by having a barbecue and then sitting on the hill with some cans of beer watching the festival come alive, and that is such a treat. On Wednesday morning when you wake up and you see people flooding to the public Gate C carrying their gazillion kilograms of gear, it's quite a smug feeling. Some of the other upsides of staying in the campervan fields are clearly comfort if you're in a van, not so much if you're in a tent parked next to a van, but even then you will have more space than you do in any of the other public camping grounds on site. The toilets are okay, there's quite a lot of them in relation to the number of people, so they're normally fairly clean. Yeah, they're okay. And you also get to hear when they're being cleaned so you can quickly dash out to use them after that. Some of the downsides are probably a bit subjective, like most of these things. One, it can be a fair old slog from some of your favourite places. If, for example, for some weird reason your favourite place was Silver Hayes, then it could be about an hour's walk away from Campervan East Fields. If, like us, some of your favourite places are Southeast Corner, Avalon, Green Fields, that part of the festival, then it's really, really accessible to those. Another thing that can be a bit tricky, at least it can feel a bit tricky, is that you feel slightly disconnected from the main festival goings-on. Because you're away in your van for 10 to 12 hours a day, you miss some of the wacky noises, you miss the smells, and you miss the general hubbub of the festival. Some people don't like that. In fact, I've heard a few people say that's why they don't stay in the campervan fields. They'd prefer to be in the The single worst thing about staying in the campervan fields is looking after your bloody ticket. Every time you go in and out of the festival, you need to have your main Glastonbury Festival ticket on you. So if when you turn up at a festival you get your wristband and you think, that's it, I don't need to do any more thinking, then you're mistaken. It's probably most annoying on the way out where you'll get given a pass-out voucher when you might be on the verge of passing out yourself. at 2, 3 in the morning, and you have to look after this thing until you get back to the gate again in the morning. I think another thing that's worth noting if you're staying in these fields is to take loads of your own food and drink, because really they're pretty poorly serviced up on that hill. In fact, I can only think of one, maybe two burger and coffee vans, and not particularly inspiring ones. Certainly nothing like the beautiful food and drink that's down on the main site. Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think that'll do for now. I hope to see you at the festival and catch you plodding up the Hill of Death with me on the Saturday morning. Cheers!

51:21Hi, my name's Jo. This year will be my 7th Glastonbury. Of the 6 I've done so far, I've done 50/50 camping in the main site and camping in Worthy View, so I know a bit about both. I like both options, probably preferring Worthy View at the moment just because it's really convenient and obviously I'm doing it this year. I think it is worth the money. It's always worked out about £150 to £200 on top of the ticket for me, and I think that's worth it for, you know, nearly a week's holiday. It's pretty good. I do always have a bit of guilt. Is it a cop-out? Am I missing out on being in the main site? I don't know. So when you arrive at Worthy View, I've always driven and arrived on the Wednesday, so I've just parked up and walked about 5 to 10 minutes minutes to the gate for Worthy View. Um, obviously if you arrive later it might be further, but you don't have to worry about where to pitch your tent because someone's already done it for you. Um, you check in, someone shows you to your tent. I think they can actually carry your stuff for you in a wheelbarrow. I've never done that, but I think they had that before if you gave some kind of donation or something like that. I've done all sorts of different tents there, from traditional tents to bell tent last time and this year. Scout tents. Those Scout tents, they are that bit smaller, but they are generally closer to the main entrance to the festival. So pros and cons. The tents themselves, they're great, heavy duty. You're not going to get rained on or anything like that. There are toilets up there, um, they're flushing toilets if that floats your boat. I'm not too worried about that kind of thing, but it's obviously another little bonus. And the main thing for me is showers. They're Brilliant. There are some kind of communally ones and then some that have little cubicles in them, different queuing times obviously for both. Then you also get a little pamper palace next to that where you can straighten your hair and dry it. I think you can also charge your phones there. You just give a donation when you go in. With those showers, I always tend to get up when it's going to open, shower, and then go back to bed because the queues get crazy. When you're leaving From the Worthy View campsite, you go through a little bit where there's some gorgeous views of the festival and places to buy food and coffee and that kind of thing, and then you go down the hill. Thanks guys, you reminded me it's called the Hill of Death. And you go down to the Pennard Hill Gate, so you're kind of above the Stone Circle there. That hill, obviously the main pain is at the last thing at night when you're going back up, so I tend to do it in stages, and then the last bit is just the kind of backbreaker. They have kind of built steps into the hill, but it's still just a bit painful. And then other than that, really. I would just say, um, tips for Worthy View: if you've missed out on booking it, don't worry, because I know that they don't tend to do an official resale for Worthy View, but people can cancel up until May, and they sometimes put on individual tents. I know people who've booked them at the very last minute, so just keep an eye on that site. You might be able to book. Um, other than that, everyone have a great Glastonbury!

54:30Rob So I really like that we've got other people involved and the listeners and sending stuff in. I mean, I think that's fantastic. Doesn't it just make you feel like we're really doing something good?

54:39Jessi Yeah, and we're covering all bases. It's not just our knowledge and our opinions. We're at least asking the wider public.

54:46Rob A wider spread of information. No, it's fantastic. So a big thank you to everybody that sent those in and also encouraging people to maybe think about how they can Send us stuff in the future as well. We'll do our best to put tweets out and what have you on our socials to let you know what it is we're going to be talking about and definitely encourage more of that. So yeah, let's move on to our kind of the final topic of today's episode, and that's to talk about the toilets, the toilet situation. It's something that everybody, if they, even if they haven't been, they'll have heard of. They'll know the many stories of the toilet situation at Glastonbury due to just the nature of what it is. So I think really we can kind of maybe quote And quash some of the more dramatic opinions. But, you know, and also talk about ways of surviving what is essentially something that everybody is going to have to face at some point. At some point. So, uh, Jessi, why don't you, uh, why don't you start?

55:41Jessi Yeah, I think what we should probably do is kind of describe the, the different— because I mean, I've heard some horror stories. They're like, oh, isn't it just like a, uh, you know, a hole over a giant bucket? It's like, well, So we should kind of describe what the different types are. I know up until, uh, kind of 2011, they used to have the, the single cubicle plasticky portable toilet things that, you know, with the blue liquid that, you know, the horrible chemical things.

56:07Rob I think we all know them well.

56:08Jessi Yeah, you know the ones. Um, so they used to, you know, have a lot of them because that was what was available, but they, I think during the, uh, Fella year of 2012, they sort of had a big revamp and rethink about how this is going to happen. So they redid all the long drops. Now these are the ones that people always go, oh, but they've now been redone and they're a lot better than what they used to be. And the long drops are essentially a sewage tank built into the ground. So they, you know, dig a big hole out, put the tank in, cover it over— well, not cover it over, but then build, uh, build the cubicles on top of that. But it's all now sealed. It used to have, you know, a gap that you could really like— it was gross. Anyway, um, so, uh, yeah, they are cubicles. Each has an individual toilet.

56:53Rob Kind of like little stalls, aren't they?

56:55Jessi Yeah, little stalls.

56:56Rob The bottom is open, it kind of covers you around the mid area so you can see the feet dangling, can't you?

57:02Miguel And then— Never look down, Joe.

57:03Rob And then it's above the head.

57:05Jessi So yeah, it's a little stall. And then you've obviously got kind of like, uh, loosie and sort of hole, but the rest of it is all kind of sealed in. So it's only when You look directly down that you can see anything. But they're really, really well maintained. I think I've noticed in the last few years.

57:19Miguel Also because it's very open, right?

57:21Jessi Yeah, super open.

57:22Rob The problem with the portable ones is because it was really closed in and gross, which was a really, really horrible place to be in the, in the heat, wasn't it? When the sun got on those things, it was like hotbox.

57:34Miguel It would take me a few attempts to find one that I would be able to endure to even get in.

57:39Rob Yeah, yeah, yeah.

57:39Miguel You open the door like Nope.

57:41Rob Well, the smell is contained.

57:43Exactly.

57:44Rob Everything is—

57:44yeah.

57:44Jessi Well, that's it. These are all open air, so you won't have a roof on them, um, but they're really well maintained. They're cleaned super often. Uh, yeah, I think they're a lot better than the old— the long drops of, of, of yesteryear.

57:56Rob Yeah.

57:57Jessi They've been remodeled and redone, and they're really well maintained. So just don't, don't be too worried about them. The only thing is, we did mention at the start of the episode, is the doors are quite loud.

58:05Rob They bang a lot, don't they?

58:06Jessi I mean, they're metal doors.

58:07Rob So they're metal door on a hinge with like a hook latch, aren't they? That's, that's, that's essentially it. Um, so there is a, there is a little bit of movement.

58:16Jessi Clang, clang, clang of metal. But that's about it.

58:18Rob That's, that's a fact, isn't it?

58:19Jessi That's the, the second option, uh, which is in my mind the better option, but they're only in certain areas of the site, um, or at least they were in 2017. We'll see, they haven't talked about it this year. Are the compost loos. Those actually, now I think about it, are just a hole and a bucket.

58:33Rob It's true. It's a wheelie bin, isn't it?

58:38Jessi Um, but those ones, they're great because they don't smell. There's no chemicals involved. Uh, they're all sealed off as well. And the idea is, is that you take a cup of sawdust in with you, you know, have a wee, do what you're gonna do, uh, and then you put the sawdust in over the top, and then it stops the smell. And it also means that they can then take that away, put it on a big compost heap, and you're actually helping the environment in that way. They use them to produce energy, don't they?

59:00Rob I'm not—

59:01Jessi Lord knows—

59:01Rob exactly sure where it goes, but it's far enough away that you don't smell it.

59:06Miguel I think there's a little story you can read up.

59:07Jessi Yeah, there's a story about it. It's an actual event. They definitely use it for something, so it's not just sitting there.

59:12It's a cycle.

59:12Jessi It's a cycle, exactly. So those are the 2 types. You've got the long drops, which are the classic kind of Glastonbury staple, and then you've got the compost loos as well. So they're dotted around, around the site. So again, you'll notice when you go to your campsite which ones are closest to you.

59:26Miguel Well, a little bit of Glastonbury trivia is that one of the reasons they end up doing the following year in 2012 is because they couldn't get enough portable toilets because of the London Olympics.

59:34Jessi Yeah, and policemen. So toilets and policemen were all being used by the Olympics.

59:38Miguel So I wonder, that's maybe what gave them the time to push for better toilets like the compostable ones and revamp the long drops. If Michael Eavis wants to tweet us, you can just let us know.

59:50Rob Okay, so Jessi, you mentioned a couple of different toilet options there. Luckily for Miguel and myself, we get the added benefit of being able to use the urinal Uh, literally these are kind of makeshift, uh, bits of fencing that, that they've got kind of plastic troughs in that we can use for, you know, a speedy— well, a speedy, I'd say a much quicker way of going to the toilet. Much quicker, yeah, when you're really holding it and you're like, oh, I need to go. Exactly, yeah, which is, I mean, obviously having that option means that a lot more of the men can, can use that facility, so the queues are a bit less for, for the women. But my God, even sometimes the short queues feel like an age. And yet when you look across and you see the, the queues for the women's. I don't know how you guys do it, but—

1:00:33Jessi Years of practice.

1:00:36Rob But, uh, I mean, obviously that there is that option, but I remember seeing actually a, a, a woman's option for that. Yeah, the shiwis.

1:00:44Jessi Yeah. Um, so I mean, when people talk about festivals, they always talk about shiwis all the time. They're like, oh, you could get that. I mean, the plastic ones, for me, I don't really see why I don't know, I wouldn't really want to be carrying that around and having to wash it and all that. I don't know. No. But, um, at Glastonbury, only in certain areas— I definitely, I know they're by the Pyramid, um, field, and I think there's another one somewhere else, I've got to remember where that is— but they have these specific sort of she-wee urinal areas. And my top tip for ladies is honestly give it a go, because when you come off the Pyramid Field and you've just watched a big band, and the queues for those toilets right next to that field are massive, like insane. You'll be waiting half an hour minimum. Um, if you just need a wee, you can run in there and they give you these, uh, compostable cardboard kind of tubes. I've just realized I'm, I'm always like using my hands. I'm looking through a diagram. The 2 boys are looking at me like, what?

1:01:40Miguel Oh no, no, I know what it is. I just, I, I actually thought it was just an area for you to use your own. I didn't know they were giving out the compostable ones.

1:01:48Jessi Yeah, it's all run by WaterAid and they give you these Compostable cardboard. So it's, you know, you can go in there and it's disposable. You only touch the only, um, your own one, you know. You don't have to bring your own plastic one in there. And you run in and they've got, um, little dividers. So it's like a urinal, like a boys' urinal, but they have dividers, uh, between them. So, you know, you can still have a bit of modesty of yourself. So you go and you find a sort of a divided section, and then it does take a little bit of practice.

1:02:14Rob Yeah.

1:02:16Jessi Um, but once you've got it, honestly, it's It saves so much time.

1:02:19Rob I can imagine.

1:02:19Jessi Especially if you're— I don't know, this is probably going into too much detail, but wearing a dress or whatever, super quick. Um, and yeah, it's, it's, it's great. And they're really lovely in there. Um, you, uh, they— you have like, um, areas, uh, with mirrors and things. So if you wanted to touch up your makeup or your glitter, there's loads of space in there to do that as well, which you don't normally get at any other toilets.

1:02:39Rob That's true, to be honest. I think it's probably a lot cleaner and nicer than our—

1:02:44Miguel Yeah, one thing I really grind my gears on the men's urinals. People who drop cans or cups in the— how do you call the—

1:02:49Rob Just the trough.

1:02:50Trough, yes.

1:02:52Miguel They even have to put a lot of, uh, they try to make— stop that happening, and then it becomes a big mess. I don't like this.

1:02:58Jessi And it overflows everywhere.

1:02:59Rob Yeah, it's not great. But it does bring us on to one of the most— the biggest frustrations. I mean, we have the ability to stand up and pee, which means we can— which means we can have these urinals, which makes the queuing a lot, a lot quicker. However, there are still people that seem to think that it's okay to stand and pee wherever they want. It's so frustrating to see because every year they insist that we don't do it. They don't just say not to do it, they, they talk about why and how bad it is, the impact it has on the environment, the impact it has on the local waterways. It's not just a case of don't do it, it's, it's— they even explain why it's important not to, yet there are still people that insist.

1:03:41Jessi On that, it's been said numerous times that the festival has almost been shut down because of the effect it has on the local water system. So even if you're not an environmentalist, even if you're like, oh, I don't care, like, if you enjoy Glastonbury, Glastonbury will not happen if you keep doing this. So don't just think, oh, it's fine, I'll pee in a cup in my tent and then pour it out the side of my tent.

1:04:05Rob Oh yeah, that's—

1:04:06Miguel oh, it makes me so angry. It's part of the problem as well, isn't it?

1:04:08Jessi Yeah, or, you know, you boys were saying at the urinal, like, if you put the cups in and it all spills over, that doesn't—

1:04:15Rob It still counts. It's still going into the ground. You believe it or not, you will— there, there are even people in the urinals who pee on the tarpaulin, just on the fence part. No, not, not even near—

1:04:27Jessi not even in the trough.

1:04:28Miguel I've seen that before. You went there, you're there.

1:04:32Rob It's so frustrating.

1:04:33Miguel Next to you, there's, there's no waiting. Why?

1:04:36Rob Why? There are so many— like, obviously we're very passionate about the festival and we love it and we likes to go and we care about it. And seeing things like that just fills me with anger because they clearly don't care. One thing, one year. And it makes you wonder— sorry, that's fine because obviously we're really angry about it, but it makes you wonder why— it makes you wish that they didn't get a ticket. Yeah.

1:04:55Yeah.

1:04:55Rob There are people who would care about the festival, who would follow the rules, because obviously when you get your ticket, the idea is that you sign up and you pledge to, to follow the rules. You want to, you want to leave as little trace, in fact no trace on the farm, take everything with you and don't pee on the land. Now when you buy your ticket, you're kind of saying, yes, I follow that ethos, I embrace it, and then I won't do it. Yeah, don't think that you're unique because you really, really need to go to the toilet. It's like the people when you're in the queue, they're trying to get past you. Oh, I'm gonna have— please let me to the front because I'm really gonna pee myself. Well, you think I'm standing here?

1:05:30Jessi It's not my house.

1:05:31Rob You know what I mean? You just have to learn to gauge your bladder, you know what I mean? You're an adult. Well, obviously there are many children in there, but, you know, be sensible.

1:05:42Jessi I was gonna say, like, don't do it. I would love to be the Green Police. Do they still have the Green Police? The people who, like, are in the green tabards and they're really fun and friendly and they just run around, like, running up to people and being nicely saying, oi, don't pee on the land.

1:05:55Miguel But yeah, maybe the nice thing one of the years to try to get people to stop it as well, which is always good.

1:06:00Jessi Yeah, maybe they shouldn't be nice.

1:06:01Rob No, I think they shouldn't. I think if you you get caught, you, you should be blacklisted.

1:06:07Jessi I mean, at the absolute worst, if you're that desperate for a pee, pee in a cup or a plastic bottle and then take it.

1:06:13Rob Take it with you.

1:06:14Jessi Take it to the toilet, you know. I, yeah, I have, you know, I know people who pee in their tent into a receptacle, and that's all well and good.

1:06:22Guilty.

1:06:22Jessi But then, yeah, but then take it in the morning, take it with you to the tent, and empty it out the side of your tent. That's disgusting.

1:06:30Rob Just a little tip on that. In the past, I've tried various different containers, uh, and one thing that I One thing that I— well, a few things I've found. Obviously it has to be waterproof and have a lid. However, don't use anything where the previous contents were edible, because if you walk— if you're walking along, I don't know, people might say, oh, can I have some of that? Oh no, you don't want to have this.

1:06:51Jessi Wait, what? Explain that further. If— what, if they pee in a Pringles can, you mean? Then somebody might say, can I have a Pringle?

1:06:57Rob Exactly. Well, I've clearly told you that story before. Yeah, so yeah, but, and you kind of just have to go, no. And then, all right, why are you being so harsh? Well, it's pee.

1:07:07Jessi You don't want what's in the can.

1:07:08Miguel Rob is a bit in the mood today.

1:07:09Rob So, so I've, I've perfected the art. I now take a fabric conditioner bottle, which is— it's— you could use any drinks bottle, but as long as it's a— again, you might have the issue with drinks bottle of, of getting— but a fabric container, I think, uh, people can generally judge why you're—

1:07:26Jessi Now when I see you in the morning with a, like, a fabric conditioner bottle, I'll be like, oh yeah.

1:07:30Rob Okay, walk into the Yeah, but I mean, again, it's just one of those things that we can do, men can do, and it's just a tip from me. If you—

1:07:39Jessi Paul's top tip, bring a comfort bottle.

1:07:41Rob Because you know what it's like when you're in your tent and you think, oh, I can't be bothered to go to the loo. Yeah, it's good. Guilty.

1:07:49Miguel I mean, if it's during the night and you wake up really needing to wee and it's raining or anything, it could really— it could take an hour just to go a quick stop by the toilet.

1:07:58Rob Exactly. Yeah. And what basically what I'm getting at is I'm not suggesting don't go to the loo because it's lazy. I'm saying if it's going to stop you peeing out the front of your tent.

1:08:06Miguel Exactly.

1:08:08Rob That's, that's what I'm getting at. Yeah, no, exactly. Because guys are gonna do that. So this is actually a way of admitting that you're not going to go to the toilet, you're not going to walk all that way, but also not peeing. So just take that bowl. I mean, if you can fill it, then maybe, maybe you do need to walk to the loo. But, um, yeah, that, that's, that's my point I was getting at.

1:08:26Jessi So don't pee on the land, guys. That's our number one.

1:08:29Rob Yeah, definitely don't pee on the land. Um, And just, yeah, be a bit more respectful.

1:08:33Miguel Maybe one day it will happen that the wristband will be sort of electronic and they'll be able to scan it and then remove— Yeah, maybe that's where it's going to become a point-based system.

1:08:45Rob Stop bringing technology in.

1:08:49Miguel Hey yo, you, let me scan it. Boom, you lose points. Not getting in last time. Well, maybe that's—

1:08:55Rob Yours is nicer, mine's a zero.

1:08:57Jessi Do we have any other, uh, kind of toilet top tips? I was gonna say, for me as a lady, uh, I'm always going in with, uh, I don't know, bags and coats and all this kind of stuff. Actually, I'm sure you guys are too. If you haven't got a friend there to be like, can you hold my stuff? Um, I take— somebody told me this a few years ago, actually— I take the little S-hooks, they're called. They're like essentially a bit of sturdy wire bent into an S And then you can hook it on the side of the toilet and hang your bag on that.

1:09:27Rob Just to avoid confusion, you don't hang it on the side of the toilet, do you?

1:09:31Jessi Oh no, sorry, no, the toilet door, obviously, of course.

1:09:34Rob No, I knew what you meant.

1:09:35Jessi But yeah, it just gives you— if the floor is muddy or, you know, like, well, toilety, you don't want to put anything on the floor, so you've got a way of hanging that up. So that's my little— what I bring with me. I always have one of those in one of my bags or bum bags, and then I've got somewhere to hang things if I need to.

1:09:49Miguel I use the hook they use to close the door. So before closing the door, I just put it through the handle of my backpack, or you can even put the loo roll and then you can just squeeze it.

1:10:00Jessi Yeah, yeah, they're handy on the portaloos, aren't they?

1:10:03Rob Well, I've given my top tip previously, I believe. Always keep a loo roll with you and keep it in a Ziploc bag. Keep it dry. Once toilet roll gets wet, it's fairly good for the bin. It's useless, isn't it? So always in a Ziploc bag. The other thing I always have in a Ziploc bag in my rucksack is a spare pair of socks. Unrelated, but—

1:10:23Miguel No, socks are very important.

1:10:26Rob Yeah, very important. We haven't mentioned socks for a while, so—

1:10:30Miguel Maybe it might be worth doing some squats.

1:10:34Rob Is that the word I want? Oh yeah, because you need some strong hips because you're gonna have to hover.

1:10:40Jessi Some strong quads, don't you?

1:10:43Miguel Yeah, strong quads.

1:10:43Jessi Glastonbury training, are we doing this?

1:10:47Rob Hovering.

1:10:47Miguel But saying that, there was one time I was— I think it was early afternoon, I was just going to buy something to eat and go back to my tent, and I stopped by the toilet. And the cleaning team had just left, and there was no queue, it was empty, and everything was spotless to the point that I felt so comfortable I sat down.

1:11:05Jessi You actually sat down?

1:11:07Rob Yeah.

1:11:07Jessi On the actual seat?

1:11:08Miguel It was one of the ones that had the actual seat that goes up and down, not just you sit down straight. They just cleaned and I got comfortable and then I started checking Twitter and I took my time and I got so comfortable that I actually left my mobile in there.

1:11:23Jessi You left your phone?

1:11:24Miguel I left my phone.

1:11:25Rob What, you lost it?

1:11:26Miguel No, I put it next to me to maybe start the cleaning up. And then I only noticed— I mean, I went back to my tent, I started my day and I'm like, wait, where's my phone? And I had no idea where I left it. But I— oh, actually, I don't think I ever said this podcast, but I tag everything. I put my contact number on my phone, on my camera, tag on my backpack, because— and I— and it's very useful because I, I, I've lost things in the past, many things in the past, but they always come back. So my phone came back and I actually asked, well, do you know where it was found? Apparently in a toilet.

1:12:01Jessi Oh, so somebody found it and then like you had a tag on it and they called you?

1:12:05Miguel Yeah, because I bring, uh, I bring her, uh, what call it— people call it dump phone, I think. So I bring up really those phones that the battery lasts the whole week, like just a 2G phone, and I leave that in my tent.

1:12:17Rob Yeah.

1:12:17Miguel And that's the phone number that I use to tag everything else. So when I, uh, at one point when I was in my tent, I checked that and there was a message, hey, a smartphone was found. And so yeah, tag everything.

1:12:27Rob That's a great story though.

1:12:29Miguel Yeah. And in the end, good advice, I would say.

1:12:32Rob You see where that story was going? I thought you were You got so comfy you fell asleep.

1:12:36Jessi Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:12:37Rob That's what I thought you were gonna say.

1:12:39Jessi But there we go, that's a good testament to sometimes the toilets are so clean that you can actually sit down and, you know, relax.

1:12:46Rob Be positive about it, be positive about it. It's got to be done.

1:12:49Miguel Am I— I don't know, is this gonna survive the edit room? I don't know.

1:13:06Rob Well guys, I said it at the beginning, I'll say it again, it's been fantastic to see you. Great getting the gang back together. I've really enjoyed it.

1:13:12Jessi Yeah, it's been great having all 3 of us.

1:13:13Rob Hopefully everybody's, uh, got something, a few really good points out of that. We've certainly enjoyed talking to you. And, uh, yeah, so until next time, I think we're gonna have to say goodbye from GlastoCast.

1:13:28Jessi Ooh, episode 5, all done.

1:13:30Miguel Thank you very much.

1:13:31Rob Thank you.

1:13:31Miguel See you next time.

1:13:32Jessi Thanks, guys.

1:13:32Miguel See you.

1:13:32Jessi Bye.