What to pack, starting with the big stuff.

0:11Jessi Hi guys and welcome to GlastoCast, the unofficial Glastonbury Festival podcast. We are back with episode 2. We're really excited to be here and this time we are talking about what to pack. So this is You've got your ticket. The next question that always comes along is, what do I need to buy? What do I need to bring with me? What do I make sure— need to make sure that I've got? So in this episode, we're not going to go kind of item by item, and it's not going to be a list format. We're essentially going to take some of the main things that people need to think about and what about what they need to bring, and then we're going to go into a little bit of discussion. These are some big things that you need, and what are some things you need to know before you pick one of those up.

0:57Rob Yeah, I think it's more like things not to forget, isn't it?

1:00Jessi Yeah, things not to forget. And, you know, of those things, what are some tips to make sure you have the best time? So I think the first thing we need to talk about— I know we as a 3 do things very differently. Yeah, me and Rob usually come to the festival by car, and Miguel, I think you come by coach, right?

1:18Miguel I go by coach. My first time I went by car, and then since then it's just been traveling by coach, really.

1:24Jessi It does make it easier, I think, just, you know, being able to get there and And not have to think, oh, I'm gonna have to drive, or especially driving home.

1:31Miguel I was the one driving, so it still was easy for me, but I remember the journey from the car park to a campsite was way worse. I think the coach takes you really close.

1:41Jessi Yeah, it goes straight to Gate A, doesn't it? And you're right in there.

1:44Miguel And that's the thing, that was my first Glastonbury, so I have memories of being worse, maybe because of that as well.

1:49Rob Yeah.

1:50Miguel As I say, the fact that everyone is just already enjoying, already in the mood of like, Well, it does feel like a holiday for me at Glastonbury at least.

1:57Rob It is.

1:58Miguel Yeah, when you're in the coach already with your friends. I don't drink. You can see a lot of people already starting. We don't do that. I have my ritual where I actually have my first drink after I set up my tent. But when everything's ready, I just open up and have my first. But anyway, that's another story. But yeah, I feel like it just makes it easy. Everyone's just comfortable and you just go straight to Gate A and then run off to whatever campsite of your choice. But you guys go by car, which also has some advantages. Yeah, well, I mean, I must admit, I have done both.

2:27Rob The first year was because I couldn't drive and my friends and I took the coach. Now, this was prior to there being the coach package of ticket availability.

2:34Jessi So you booked it separately?

2:35Rob So we simply bought the ticket and then we thought, right, how are we going to get there? We booked the coach. Um, and yes, absolutely. There was a lot of benefit to it. We could travel as a group. You don't have to park. Like you say, it takes you straight to the coach gate. It was fantastic. And it, you know, it reduces the congestion. So in terms of good points, it reduces the congestion and there are things to kind of get people to encourage them to do so. Having said that, I now do go by car. I have, again, like yourselves, I have a ritual, uh, which, which involves not just going straight to the site. I like to go to the, to Glastonbury Tor, uh, the day before.

3:06Jessi Oh yeah, Pilton.

3:06Rob Um, I like to go up there. Um, there's, there's a place in, in Wells that I like to go, and if I can, I'll stay. If not, at least I'll just spend half a day there as part of my journey there. Uh, and then for me, queuing has become as much a part of the—

3:19Jessi The Tuesday night queue party.

3:20Rob The Tuesday night queue. Absolutely. The Tuesday night queue party has, has become a thing for, for, for me and my friend. Who, having, you know, coincidentally, I met him a few years ago in, you know, in the queue and we've been friends ever since.

3:32Miguel So, okay.

3:32Rob Yeah. So I do go by car now and it's, it has become quite a structured journey.

3:37Jessi Yeah, I'm the same. I go by car, but like you guys, I did the, my very first year I went by train and then got the free shuttle bus from the train station. And that's all well and good. I think maybe for me, it's just a control thing. I like to be able to know, you know, I'm in control when I arrive. But me and my friends, we obviously, you know, car share. There's normally a minimum 3 in my car and pretty much every car we go with. convoy from London. So we leave London all together, we meet up at a certain petrol station, and then off we go in a line, slow, nice and slowly, all the way down, um, in the very, very early hours of, uh, of Wednesday morning. So we normally get on site around 4 AM and then we join the queue. So a bit late to the queue party, but yeah. Yeah, so I think it's— we just wanted to outline that because it really makes a difference with what you can bring. And it's great that I think we have a mix here. So we're gonna have Miguel, who's gonna be the expert on packing light.

4:24Miguel Yeah, that's the thing. If you go by coach, you definitely need to pack really smart.

4:28Jessi Having the car means I can bring as much as I like. And, you know, that's, that's why I think this is going to be interesting, that we're going to have the different, different levels of packing and comfort.

4:36Miguel Oh yeah, I'm going to be saying lightweight a lot.

4:38Jessi Yeah. Amazing. So we are gonna have an entire episode about arrivals because that is a complete other conversation that we'll have. Um, but going back to kind of what to pack now, obviously number one thing is a tent. Obviously you're— unless you pay for one of the very amazing glamping options, you are going to be spending 5, 6 days in a temporary home in a tent. So what tent to pack? And obviously I'm taking this one due to my festival blog name, Where's My Tent. Um, I have 2 main tips when it comes to tents just to make sure that you're comfortable and having a good time. The number one is a double-skinned tent. I know like a lot of the cheaper kind of pop-up ones tend to be single skin, and you might not know what that means. It basically means that it has an outer layer and then an inner kind of bedroom layer, and what that does is it creates a layer of insulation between the 2 sections which will definitely keep you warmer and it will keep you waterproof. If you have a single skin tent, the water— despite how waterproof it says it may be— the water will over a long period of time seep through and you'll have a puddle, and that's never very fun.

5:51Rob Not nice.

5:52Jessi Not nice. I've had a wet festival before in one of these kind of cheap supermarket-style tents, let's say. And, uh, yeah, waking up with your feet in a puddle every morning is— it just does not mean you have a good time. Um, and then the second kind of big thing is people read what is on the label and believe it. Um, when they say it's a 2-man tent, they do not mean 2 people can spend 5 days there with their stuff. Um, I always say add minimum 1 extra man onto that. For me, for example, I always bring a 5-man tent that I can stand up in. That's personal preference. I like being able to walk into my tent and grab something or get changed stood up. But I bring a 5-man tent and I have maximum of 3 people in there with me. So no, sorry, total of 3 people, so me and 2 extras. But I definitely think if there's only 2 of you going, buy minimum of a 3-man. Uh, 3 of you going, I would probably suggest going up to a 5-man personally. So this is obviously me. I have a lot of space, I have a lot of ability to bring extra because I'm coming by car. How about you, Miguel? What, what do you take?

6:51Miguel The 2-man. I take a 2-man tent, of course, that gives me more space for my gear, but But even though I go by bus, which I need to try to put the weight down as much as I can, I still take a tent with an extra porch. And when I say a porch, not just a little cover. Some small tents, they only have a little bit of a cover at the front. My tent actually has a proper functional porch. Of course, it's going to get a little bit more heavy, but mine is not as tall as yours. I cannot stand up, but I still have this extra space where I can spread some of my gear.

7:20Jessi That's a really good point, actually. I probably will add that. I say I only have 2 things to say about this.

7:24Rob That's your new 3rd tip, is it?

7:26Jessi Yeah, the 3rd thing is definitely bring a porch. Because, you know, if it is a muddy festival, you want a place where you can leave your shoes. You don't want your bedroom to get covered in mud or anything like that. So having that extra bit of space to put food, alcohol, shoes is just brilliant.

7:37Miguel Absolutely, yeah. Have the space, as you said, just make use of it to make a mess. My sleeping area is just there.

7:43Jessi Nice and tidy.

7:44Miguel Still a bit messy, but you see the point.

7:47Rob But dry.

7:47Miguel Yeah, but dry.

7:48Rob Free from mud.

7:48Miguel Yeah, free from mud.

7:49Jessi I think that's also— a porch to me is a social area because, um, you know, there's, as I've said before, like there's 30 of us that try and camp together. If it is a wet festival, you are going to spend some time kind of chatting in the morning with your friends, if it's raining, you need a big enough tent that you can all, you know, sort of 6 or 7 of you can go and sit in the porch and have a chat while it's raining. So that's why I go for the big porch as well, so we can all get in there with our chairs and just have a little chatter in the morning. How about you, Rob? What kind of tent do you take?

8:13Rob Um, well, I kind of go, I suppose, in the middle really. I, I, my tent is, I think if I remember rightly, marketed as a 4-person tent, and it has a— it does have a porch. And like Miguel said, it, it really is one of the more important things because keeping that mud separate from where you're sleeping, really, you, you won't notice the benefit until you have to get in there at night and it's all nice and clean and dry, like you said. So I go, I think mine's a 4-person. Main reason is because sometimes I'll take a friend and we'll share, but not always. I kind of don't have to worry like, like you do with regards to how much I have to take because I have the benefit of taking my car. What that allows me to do is multiple journeys to and from my vehicle.

8:54Miguel Yeah.

8:54Rob So where I might take a slightly bigger tent and it is heavy. What I would say is my kind of tip to you would be think about the journey. Yes, it's, it is quite a long one. So having a heavy tent might be and might seem like a bit of a burden to start with. Bear in mind, you could potentially be there for 6 days. So that, that kind of first few hours getting from the car to the place where you want to camp is a bit of an ordeal.

9:18Jessi Yeah.

9:18Rob But you have to keep in mind, actually, it's worth it because of the benefit, the added comfort that you'll have for the rest of the festival. So my tip would be just consider, make the most of your position if you are traveling in a car, you can travel to and from the vehicle because you can go in and out of the festival.

9:35Jessi Yeah, you can, you can go back and get things from the car, which is really good. I mean, always on— like I said, we're gonna have an arrivals episode, but I always just take in the tent on the first time because it always takes a bit longer with security and getting wristbanded. So I always just first time in, I just take the tent and that's it.

9:49Miguel I have to carry everything.

9:50Rob Yeah, well, exactly.

9:52Miguel I was thinking maybe to give some more specifics on the technical aspects of the tent. The one I have, so it's a 2-man tent with the porch and it's about 4.5 kilos. Those just for people when they're researching. Okay, you can get lighter ones, but of course the price goes up a lot.

10:06Jessi See, the difference— oh, mine is, uh, like I said, a 5-man tent and it is 12 kilos.

10:11Miguel Yeah.

10:12Rob Oh God, to be honest, I have no idea what mine weighs.

10:15Miguel But can you split into bags or it comes in one single bag?

10:18Jessi It comes in one bag, but what we usually do is, uh, you know, the lucky people who get to stay in my tent with me, you know, have that nice massive tent at their hotel for the weekend, we normally share it between us. So we sort of have a, have a handle each and carry it in together.

10:31Rob Actually, one of the things that I've done in the past was I took my, took my car and on this particular year, I was the only one driving in my car. So I actually took some extra stuff for some friends of mine who were going on the, on the coach. So I didn't take it from the car immediately, did my normal thing. I set my tent up and then we met up and as a group, we went to the car and I got them the extra stuff that I was able to bring for them. So maybe it's worth getting, talking to your friends and figuring out who's doing what as part of that pre-plan.

10:59Jessi Yeah. On that note, my group of 30, as I said, quite a few of them them are coming by coach or can only come by train. And last year I— well, not single-handedly, but my car group of people set up 15 tents.

11:11Rob Wow.

11:12Jessi Aren't I a nice person? People pay a lot of money for pre-erected tents. I mean, it can be quite stressful, can't it, putting up one tent?

11:18Rob I mean, 15?

11:20Jessi Yeah, yeah, we just— I'm all about the logistics of getting there and getting our group.

11:25Rob I hope they bought you a drink.

11:26Jessi Yeah, well, yeah, definitely.

11:28Miguel Well, my coach crew, we do have a strategy as well. So when we leave the coach, uh, some of us, half of us go ahead, with all the tents.

11:35Jessi Ah yeah, and some of you wait there and then— yeah.

11:37Miguel Yeah, and the others come wait at one spot and we come back to pick up the gear and they are also arrived to erect the tents.

11:44Rob There you go, exactly a perfect example of why just that little bit of planning before you go can make such a big difference.

11:49Jessi Absolutely. Next on the list, Next is bedding. So we've got our tent set up. Bedding is quite a big topic. Some people make do with just a sleeping bag, some people go a bit, bit more excessive than that. What do you do, Rob? What's your sleeping arrangement?

12:11Rob Well, I suppose on one hand you could probably say that it's quite basic because I don't take a roll mat, I don't take a put-up bed of any kind. I'm quite happy to just go straight onto, onto the, onto the ground. But what I do take, which is maybe a little extra, is I take a nice big comfy blanket which I lay down on the floor, and then I take a double duvet and a pillow. Yeah, I'm quite a fidget and I move around a lot in the night and I just— the sleeping bag thing just really doesn't suit me. And I tried a few over the years and just really not got on with them. So yeah, I took the hit on the extra carrying stuff and I now bag up my quilt. I mean, having said that, if you roll it up tight, you can get it into a fairly small bag and it's not that heavy.

12:57Jessi Definitely.

12:57Rob It's just quite bulky.

12:58Jessi Yeah.

12:59Rob But for me, every year.

13:00Jessi Okay. And what do you do, Miguel? What's your—

13:02Miguel Well, my first Glastonbury, I took a sort of a heavy sleeping bag and it was just that. So I was sleeping straight on the ground. These days I take a really lightweight—

13:12Rob Always.

13:13Miguel But well, one thing is I don't feel really much cold in the evening. I'm not someone to feel cold. So I just, I just bought literally the cheapest sleeping bag they had in store. But what I do, and that's what really helps a lot, I take a self-inflating mat. And that not only adds comfort, but it also creates some isolation from the ground, from the cold. And that kind of is sufficient for me.

13:36Jessi The self-inflating mat was a bit of a game changer for me in 2017. It was the first time I had one after hearing, you know, I'd always had those, the sort of air beds that you get, you know, the big thick ones, the sort of navy blue ones.

13:47Rob Oh, right. Yeah.

13:48Jessi With the kind of velvety feel. Velvety top on the top.

13:50Miguel Which is like a Glastonbury symphony. First day in the morning, people pump.

13:54Jessi Yeah.

13:57Miguel People pumping up their air beds.

13:59Jessi Yeah, so I used to have one of those, but they always, you know, after 5 days they start getting deflated over the evening. Or if you're on there with a friend, if you get a double one, if they move, you move because it ricochets you around. Um, and the other thing is it's just a big pocket of cold air. Somebody sort of explained the physics to me one time, and when— the problem with those things is that the ground, uh, the cold comes up from the ground, gets into this pocket of air, and you end up freezing. So somebody suggested one of these self-inflating mats, which they pack up quite small, and when you get there you just just lay it out and open the valve and it, it kind of inflates itself up. Um, I now have one of those about 5 centimeters thick and it is the comfiest. Oh, I get the best sleep on that thing. But what I do just to make sure I don't get cold, um, is I also— I'm a bit extra here— I also bring one of those, uh, kind of blue foam roll mats that has the silver on the bottom.

14:45Rob Right.

14:46Jessi So I place that down first with the silver facing down just so the, um, sort of insulates me from the, the cold coming up. Put the self-inflating, um, mat down and then I'm there with my sleeping bag. And I also do bring a pillow because, yeah, that's absolutely Absolutely.

14:59Miguel The triple layer technique.

15:00Jessi Yeah, I go hard like you, Miguel. Uh, we are the 2 party, party animals. Oh yes, oh yes.

15:06Miguel We don't even sleep much, I think.

15:08Jessi Exactly. You know, I, I, I am lucky if I get 4 hours a night at Glastonbury. I think you're even less than me. So if I'm only gonna get 4 hours of sleep and you are gonna be walking all day, I wanna make sure that those 4 hours of sleep is the best 4 hours of sleep I can possibly get. So yeah, my sleeping, um, sleeping gear is probably a bit much, but you know, it, it does the job. What about chairs? So chairs for me, a chair for myself is an essential as far as I'm concerned. Um, what do you— do you guys bring a chair?

15:35Rob I do, yeah, absolutely. It's, um, it's one of those things, once the tent goes up, my chair goes up because it's like overnight in the queue, as we mentioned before, is great fun. But once, once it's that early morning setting up the tents, it's nice to just kick back, set the chair up and kind of just have a look around. Because while you're setting your tent up, it might take you half an hour, it might take you 45 minutes. In that short period of time, your surroundings will change quite a bit.

16:00Jessi Yeah.

16:01Rob So it's nice to just get the chair, maybe crack open a drink like yourself, Miguel, sit back and just think, right, I'm here.

16:06Jessi Yeah, and I just think I need that. You know, I'm quite tall, I'm sort of 6-foot-ish, and sitting on the ground every morning is, is not good for me. Like, I wanna spend that time sat down having a chill, chatting to my friends and being comfortable, uh, and not having back pain to start the day off. I know that's, you know, a big, a big problem for most people, so I like having that extra bit of comfort.

16:27Miguel Yeah, same here. Even though the chair might be a bit awkward to carry, especially to bring it on the bus, there's another area where I do some sacrifice on weight. And also, I just use the chair as part of my morning routine when I—

16:40Jessi Yeah, very good point.

16:41Miguel Or whatever moment I'm waking up. So I use the chair to sit down, put my glitter on, put some makeup, brush my— do some toothbrushing there. So, and you have the little—

16:52Rob Cup holders.

16:53Miguel Yeah, cup holders for your drinks. So yeah, it just makes the whole thing way better, really.

16:57Rob I suppose one for your beer, one for your hairspray.

17:00Miguel I mean, I can, I can certainly feel the— my, my mates around me who didn't take a chair like, oh shit, I should have done that. Yeah, yeah, next year I'm bringing a chair.

17:08Jessi But well, I mean, on that point, you can buy them there. That's one thing, you know, to really hammer down here is that if you feel you are coming by coach and you don't want to have to carry everything, or if you're coming by car for the first time and you don't know what you'll need yet, you can pretty much buy anything on site.

17:24Miguel Absolutely.

17:24Jessi If you have the money to kind of spare for these things. So obviously it's cheaper if you if you bring it with you. Um, but you know, they normally do 2 chairs, £15 on site. So if your friends do get jealous, you can suggest they go and buy some, but also suggest they bring it home with them. Don't leave it there. These things are for life, not just—

17:42Rob Very, very important, I think, to reiterate that point.

17:44Miguel I think that's, that's one reason I prefer to buy in advance, because then I can really choose something that is good quality and I invest. I prefer to pay a bit more. It's just something that's going to last, really. I've been really coming to Glastonbury every year, so that's it. I've been building my gear.

17:57Rob Yeah.

17:57Miguel Improving it.

17:58Rob Invest for multiple use.

18:00Miguel Excellent.

18:00Rob Don't get caught up in this buy cheap, get rid of it thing, because it's, it's a real pain.

18:05Jessi Yeah, it's a really good point. We just want to make sure that anything you buy for this, you will get the Glastonbury bug, I can tell you that now. So once you've done it once, you'll want to come back. And don't buy something cheap and buy it every year. That's not the ethos of Glastonbury. You want to make sure you get something good and comfortable and you reuse it again and again. So I'm just gonna take a little pause here. Uh, this is more for the veterans, I say, who've been to Glastonbury before and have seen this and have experienced it. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a bit of a debate over chairs. Now, we've just discussed chairs as a camping accessory for when you're around the tents. What do you think about taking a chair down to one of the main stages and staying there for the day? How do you feel about it. Now, this cause is quite a bit of a hot topic, I guess. Is it something you love? If so, we want to hear from you. Why do you do this? What's your favorite thing about doing this? If you're less of a fan, if it's something that, you know, you'd prefer didn't happen, why is that too? And what we're going to do is we're going to read out some of your answers either on our next podcast in the future, or we might be putting it on our Instagram, that kind of thing. So we want to hear from you. Tell us your thoughts on this. So get in contact with us either via our website, and we have a contact us form on there or via our socials. We have Twitter, Instagram, all these kind of things that you can find on the website, glastocast.co.uk. Let us know and we will read out your thoughts. We've talked about tents, we've talked about bedding, we've talked about chairs. Now the next topic we want to cover briefly is kind of clothing and footwear. Clothing we're going to skim over a little bit because that is very personal taste. I know I like to bring lots of fancy dress and lots of sparkly things, but some people are a lot more practical in that respect. Definitely bring some waterproofs with you, a big waterproof coat. Has anybody ever used ponchos? Do you guys use ponchos or?

19:58Miguel I look into it, but I always just go with a waterproof jacket, really.

20:01Rob I'm a growing fan of the poncho because like the weather can change quite quickly and what might be a very nice day in the morning, you might just get a shower and they are pocket-sized.

20:13Jessi Yeah.

20:14Rob And I've just found now that I definitely take them with me. It's almost one of the essential things because regardless of how hot the start of the week might be, I've always got that poncho in my bag.

20:22Jessi It is something just easy just to slip in your bag and have with you for those emergency moments because the weather can change at Glastonbury very quickly, as you said. Absolutely.

20:29Rob The other thing is, once if you are inside maybe while it's raining and you go out, you can, uh, you can use it to sit on.

20:35Jessi Yeah, good point. You can use it to sit on the ground as well. Good bit of, uh, portable plastic to take with you. Okay, but apart from waterproofs, the main thing I wanted to talk about today is footwear. Oh yeah, so this is such a big debate and a lot of people don't really realize. They kind of think, oh yeah, I'll just take my trainers with me. Uh, I've seen people there in some quite expensive-looking bright white trainers. That is a definite no-no. But it, it really can make or break your festival. As we have mentioned a few times, uh, over these episodes, Glastonbury is massive. You will walk really, really far in a day. I think I was measuring it once on one of my, um, on my Fitbit. I think I did like almost 40 kilometers in one of the days one time.

21:12Rob Wow.

21:13Jessi It It's bigger than we can handle.

21:15Miguel And that was just the dancing.

21:16Jessi Yeah, that was just the dancing.

21:18Rob Well, I was gonna say, in terms of like a different measurement, it's, you know, tens of thousands of steps. Yeah, if that's how yours is measured, tens of thousands easily.

21:27Jessi Exactly. So it's one of those things, you want to make sure you are comfy, number one. Number two, waterproof, because even on a sunny, sunny, uh, Glastonbury, there are areas of the site that are going to get muddy just because where the water runs off from the taps and things like that. So it's definitely worth having some sort of waterproof So the big welly waterproof shoes, walking boots, trainers debate. Let's have a chat about this. What do you think, Rob? What do you take with you?

21:50Rob I, well, personally, I will always take wellies because I just think that they are fantastic. You can't really beat them when the mud does get as bad as it can do. I mean, what you need to realize is even when it is dry, like you were saying, there's still such a huge footfall that the ground gets churned up. So the likelihood is at some point you are going to encounter some mud. Wellies Wellies, fantastic. Key accessory with wellies is welly socks, football socks, something that is going to protect the top of your leg from the top of that welly because you get welly rub and it gets very, very sore. So, you know, because a lot of people have, you know, their festival outfits, shorts and whatever you might decide to wear. But if you're going to wear wellies, you know, I really would suggest having the knee-high or the socks that you can roll over the top.

22:34Jessi I think that's the thing, like lots of people, they don't normally wear wellies in everyday life. They go to a festival for the first time, they're here, oh, I need to buy some wellies. These are great, but without those socks, as you say, you are going to end up with blisters, rubs all along the top edge, and it is really quite painful sometimes.

22:49Miguel Yeah, I think that's really, really important because, I mean, if you get a blister on your first day, your experience, your whole festival experience can be ruined. And what I found, which is a good technique, is I used to use 2 socks, like a liner sock and a really good sock on top, because then it eases the friction. So that's really good to avoid some blisters.

23:06Jessi I double up on socks as well, and then you can You know, if you only buy kind of 2 or maybe even 3 sets of welly socks, you can change the inner sock 3 or 4 times so as, you know, not to get damp.

23:17Miguel Definitely a change of socks during the day if possible. If you go back to your tent to pick up something, you can remove whatever you're wearing, wellies or walking boots, and let it breathe for a while. Maybe have a change of socks. That will help a lot as well.

23:29Jessi Dry feet.

23:30Miguel I take some foot powder as well. It helps on sweating because wellies Wellies do make you sore.

23:35Rob Yeah, wellies are a tough one. But again, this comes back to what we were talking about before. I've— I will always take my wellies, but maybe I won't take them from my car straight away. And it comes back to that being able to go back and from the car. So my wellies will always be there. And I'll have, you know, trainers if it's dry, or at least something stable, because like we were saying, you're going to be walking tens of thousands of steps. Now doing that in flip-flops, you know, you're welcome to try, but personally, it really does, it gets sore.

24:00Jessi I bring flip-flops for around the tent in the morning though.

24:02Miguel Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that's good. Let the feet breathe.

24:03Jessi That's true.

24:05Miguel If it's dry, then it's to do quick errands around the campsite, to go fill up your water bottle, whatever. Yeah, flip-flops can be useful.

24:14Rob And yeah, when it's hot, it's nice, you know, when you're sat and it's quiet, you can kick your feet off and like get some air to your feet and just really stay comfortable.

24:21Jessi So you go wellies, Rob. You also go wellies, Miguel?

24:24Miguel Yes, uh, I take a walking boot as well. Okay, well, not really a walking boot, but it's a good waterproof trainer which is quite comfortable. So I use that on the bus and maybe the first if it's, if it's a dry year. But mainly I'm Team Welly.

24:37Jessi Yes.

24:38Miguel Even if it gets sunny, you might be— I'm just already a part of it, so integrated with the festival by day 2 or 3, and then the wellies are just—

24:46Rob Go Team Welly!

24:48Miguel But, but it took me a while. I think this, this is the 3rd welly I bought. I kept changing, and then I found one that really suits me. It's comfortable for me, it doesn't affect my feet. And I think it's important to say that whatever is your choice, you need to break it in.

25:03Jessi You need—

25:03Miguel oh yeah, when you buy it, and you not just wear it. You can't just wear it a few times, one time and see if it fits. You need to really proper go for a walk sometimes before Glastonbury.

25:11Jessi Yeah, exactly.

25:12Miguel Say maybe a couple months before Glastonbury, whatever you bought, go for a walk, go for a walk again, see how it works for you.

25:18Jessi Wear it in. So you both are team wellies. I was always team wellies at Glastonbury, but last year in 2018, I finally got a pair of walking— I say finally, but I got a pair of walking boots. And you know, I, I think they did really well. I think the, the reduction in bulk for those, that was one thing. Obviously they're a little bit smaller, um, and they were super comfy. They did really well, um, in the waterproof situation. I did have one or two muddy festivals last year and, and it did well. But part of me, I'm not sure whether I want to try it at Glastonbury. It feels like a risk to go away from my, my classic trainers and wellies has always been my, you know, go-to. Take a pair of trainers that I don't mind getting wrecked because they will get dusty even if it's a dry year. They will get covered in, you know, cider that I spill. So I always bring a pair of trainers that I'm happy that if they— I don't mind if they get wrecked, and then a pair of wellies. So I don't know whether to break the tradition this year and get walking boots. It's really on the tip of my, uh—

26:12Rob Well, the thing is, there's something we can discuss, see what people think.

26:14Miguel The thing is, if you get a year like 2016, that was a really tough year.

26:18Jessi Yeah, I think wellies would have been the answer.

26:19Miguel I think even walking boots, you would have trouble that year because anyone that didn't have wellies that year was really, really struggling. There wasn't a patch of green that year.

26:27Rob No, and especially the This is— I'm team welly. I'm down with the walking boots and everything like that. The one thing I really don't understand, because it never works, I can tell you it won't work, carrier bags over your trainers.

26:37Jessi Oh yeah, no, no, no.

26:38Rob Absolutely terrible. It might work for 5 minutes, but once you've walked maybe 100 meters and there's holes in them, you might as well not bother. Yeah, but it's surprising to see so many people doing that, don't they? Yeah.

26:49Miguel What I find when I'm looking at walking boots is that the tall ones are usually made for winter as well. That's not really good for Glastonbury.

26:56Jessi Yeah, they get hot and sweaty.

26:57Miguel A perfect walking boot would be one which is comfortable, waterproof, and it's a little bit high on the ankle, but I didn't find one yet. If you know, text me.

27:06Rob Yeah, well, as I say, it's something that we can discuss and people can feed back to us.

27:10Jessi Yeah, yeah. Another thing, please do tweet us if you have any suggestions for things.

27:14Miguel If you—

27:14Jessi what do you do with your feet? I think number one tip would be, no matter what you decide, trainer, wellies, walking boots, Boots, socks.

27:21Rob I know we mentioned it before, but socks, socks, dry socks, dry socks, dry socks.

27:25Jessi Exactly, 15 pairs of socks.

27:26Rob I think you can't have enough dry socks. You never know.

27:30Miguel And underwear.

27:30Rob Oh yeah, of course, of course.

27:32Jessi So, so far we have covered tents, we've covered bedding, uh, we've covered chairs, and then we've covered a bit of clothing and footwear. What we're going to do is we're going to break this episode here. We're going to do a part 2 of what to pack where we're going to go into a little bit more discussion about things like food, alcohol, money, that kind of, uh, smaller, you know, and some, some cleanliness tips as well. What we're also going to do is we're going to post a full list on our blog as well on glastocast.co.uk. That is hopefully going to be more of a printout guide for you guys. And it's, as I said, it's a guide. You don't have to tick off everything in the list to have a good time, but these are the things that with our years of experience we have found will make you more comfortable and just make things that little bit better so you have the best time you could possibly have. Thanks for listening, guys. Uh, we will be back with part 2 really, really shortly, so subscribe and we will see you next time. Thank you very much.